Originally Posted by Incogneato
most pants don't have any insulation past a bit of fleece (maybe) and mesh liner. the poacher pants are the cheapest pants burton makes and are barely waterpoof and barely breathable. with all the sales and stuff going on right now you should really look into better pants, they don't even have vents.
OK i have arranged to return them... i am thinking of buying the Groovstar crown pant... anyone have any other good suggestions.... ive decided to get some good pants whilst im at it..