Thanks for the fast replies
So I was checking out some 686 stuff like you guys recommended and saw a few things. Jacket wise I was looking at this, still pretty expensive but not AS bad
686 Plexus Pinnacle 3-Ply Jacket - Men's from Dogfunk.com
For pants I was looking at these:
686 Smarty Complete 2.5-Ply Pant - Men's from Dogfunk.com
686 Smarty Original Cargo Pant - Men's from Dogfunk.com
Is the only difference in the pants the material and ratings? And one has ghetto slits, one doesn't. Not sure how big of a difference they would make.