686 pant sizes are a little weird too. I had a pair of large 686 Easy Riders and a pair of large 686 Smarty Cargos. The Smarty Cargos were too tight of a fit and the Easy Riders were perfect. I did not like the weight of the pants either. Too heavy. When compared to my Helly Hansons or my new Volcoms, the 686s felt like surplus military winter pants (and Canadian Military winter pants are heavy).
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