I have the 686 Smarty`s Uzi and they are dope. The fleece liner is godly on cold days and they stay dry in the Oregon rain. They do run baggy which I like. If you are`nt into the baggy fir, you won`t like them. I don`t mind the weight myslef, but slaughter is right, they are a heavy garment. I like my outerwear to feel solid and these things are great. No issues with them falling apart.
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