I have a pair of the 686 Smarty cargos and I agree with Slaughterhouse, with the track pant liner in them they weight alot. They are the heaviest pants I've owned. However, due to my SAC addiction, I have picked up a pair of the Sessions Parachute pant and the Limited Edition Foursquare Q pants. They are just as waterproof as the Smartys and almost 1/2 the weight. Can't wait to see how they perform on the hill.
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