alright i just went and tried on boots. the best fitting were Salomon Faction boots and surprisingly i fit into 11-11.5 boots. One boot they just size them out like that. But they seemed very comfortable, nicely tight fitting and but not overly stiff. Warm and easy on and off. My back foot has no angle front has prolly 15 or or 20 tops. stance preferred is wider rather than narrower, vapors only have a limited options on stance i believe.