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Originally Posted by StarCommand View Post
There are issues with the health care bill. My uncle is a Republican, or so he thinks, and he loves to debate with me because he think I love President Obama like a majority of America loves Oprah. I voted for President Obama, but that doesn't mean I want all up ons.

A couple months ago we got into it on the phone because my uncle's friend was trying to start an argument with me on Facebook and kept implying that I was just some silly youth. I hate fat, white, Republicans...

Anyway, I got a good perspective of why he didn't like the health care bill, and it made a lot of sense. He's pretty middle-of-the-road, so his arguments are generally valid and rooted in the betterment of the people, unlike a lot of Republicans who are greedy fuckers and just want to mess with President Obama because he's black and they can't just come right out and say that they're racist.

My uncle feels as if health care should be provided, but that there should be no insurance companies. There might be a PBS Frontline episode about this. I remember watching something, or reading something. Basically, the insurance companies need to make a buck in this deal, so that's why there's all this mandatory health care with penalties for those that don't jump on board crap. I don't like that either. My uncle feels as though you should be able to go get health care, and the bill goes to the government, and they pay it. No questions.

What's happening now, is the government is backing the insurance companies, and requiring you to have insurance. The funding shouldn't be going there. The insurance companies are what are keeping the health care industry fucked. You can't build a public service on a platform of profit and expect it to serve the people in the best way possible.

I would argue that the health care bill wasn't as major an achievement as it may be perceived to be. It is a step in the right direction, and it's more than anyone before has done, but I don't think it is going to get the job done in the long run without a lot of reform. Unfortunately, I don't think President Obama will have the time in office to see that through, and the Republican that takes over will toss that out the window the first day in office.

I'm still wondering where that education reform is...
You have to understand that health insurance companies are fucking huge, have tons of influence, and employ a lot of people. In order to get the ideal that your talking about, which is honestly the best choice for the people, you would basically have to pass a law which would abolish privatized health insurance. That means all those companies would have to be disbanded because they would by law have no market and could not make revenue.

You can't do that the way our economic system is set up, so the next best thing is to pass huge regulations on the privatized industries to reduce prices to the point where the companies are no longer making a profit and can provide affordable care. But if they aren't making a profit, they are non-profit organizations and in our system of capitalism, if your not going to make a profit there is no reason to do business.

Insurance companies realize this so they will not let it happen, because as soon as some sort of universal healthcare gets passed, it's going to hurt the insurance companies' profits no matter what.

In order to get universal healthcare, you would need to essentially change our economic system, because right now it is so loose that companies can do whatever they want with no legal or governmental obligations. They have the power to change whatever rules do get passed to re-benefit themselves.

Highly regulated Capitalism is what we should be shooting for, but unfortunetly it's been turning into a "Free-for-All" system since the 1970's when Reagan started getting in bed with corporations.

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