Arbor wasteland not stiff enough the a frame a little to stiff. Ride more freestyle than freeride. Dont like the flow for personal reasons. They might be good boards but just don't like them.K2 makes great products but not good freeride stuff. Salomon makes a nice board the burner Jones flaggship looks nice rossi has a new board this year that might fit the bill the krypto but its tuff to drop 500 plus on something you have never ridden. I ride east coast which is allot of hardpack most of the time, powder is great but don't see that much have to poach the woods for fresh tracks need something that can do 60mph on hardpack and turn quick in the woods while looking for fresh tracks.