Originally Posted by david_z
We seem to agree that the corporations and the rich (however so loosely defined) control government. With that in mind isn't it just a little bit ridiculous to believe that true change will come about by simply asking the government to regulate their owners? We are not their masters. It's not really in their interest to listen to us, so they don't listen to us. They probably never did listen to us, which begins to explain how we got where we are today. And they'll continue fleecing everyone until enough people wake the fuck up to make real change inevitable.
It doesn't really matter what you believe or what you want. What matters is what will happen. And voting for the same old shit, playing that same old game is not going to yield results substantially different. The system is so full of "anti" checks and balances, which block attempts at one point down the road or another, that it doesn't seem possible.
Swallow as many soundbites from either "side" of the aisle. They're all designed to placate you, to blame, to point fingers, to create scapegoats and instigate class warfare, to pit people against one another & to encourage dependence on the system controlled by the elites, rather than rather fostering cooperation and real community.
This is really what it comes down to. Despite the fact that the system has basically led us into ruin, people still think that changes can be made by using the same traditional channels (it's all we really know). Unfortunetly at this point, any changes you do see are superficial and ultimately serve as ulterior motives for someone standing to gain. The Tea Party movement is a perfect example - taking people's frustration, harnessing it and using it to manipulate supporters against their own interests. As soon as you see direct political support for the Wall Street protests, it will likely go the exact same way.
My question is how do we change the system without a full-fledged revolution? How do you kick those out of the system who wield massively disproportionate amounts of money and power through a democratic process? The system is so full of "anti"-checks and balances, which serve to block attempts at one point down the road or another, that it doesn't seem possible. Historically, the aristocracy's gluttony has only been overthrown by direct violence; nothing else has gotten them to relinquish their power.
Unless something miraculous happens I see global milking continuing, at which point about 10 to 20 years from now will cause a societal "crash" point due to a variety of global issues not being addressed.
So long as the status-quo remains, the future is looking very dim.