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Old 11-16-2011, 10:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=HoboMaster;439065]This is really what it comes down to. Despite the fact that the system has basically led us into ruin, people still think that changes can be made by using the same traditional channels (it's all we really know). Unfortunetly at this point, any changes you do see are superficial and ultimately serve as ulterior motives for someone standing to gain. The Tea Party movement is a perfect example - taking people's frustration, harnessing it and using it to manipulate supporters against their own interests. As soon as you see direct political support for the Wall Street protests, it will likely go the exact same way.
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My question is how do we change the system without a full-fledged revolution?
I don't know.

Over thousands of years of history, every organization designed by man was subsequently destroyed by man - and despite this historical record, we're supposed to believe that the system we have right now either IS the apex of human civilization, or it will yield to/create such an apex organically, through growth, rather than destruction/revolution which has been the hallmark of pretty much all progress thus far.

Nope. I don't think we've reached that apex. And we won't obtain it via the status quo. Civilization must rise of its own nature to conquer the current scourge as she conquered those previous; the people MUST rise up and seize that power, or ultimately perish.


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How do you kick those out of the system who wield massively disproportionate amounts of money and power through a democratic process? The system is so full of "anti"-checks and balances, which serve to block attempts at one point down the road or another, that it doesn't seem possible. Historically, the aristocracies gluttony has only been overthrown by direct violence - nothing else has gotten them to relinquish their power.
You don't. They control the rules of the game. They control the media. They control the participants. We need people to stop trying to play "by the rules" or better yet, stop trying to play that game at all. Direct action, civil disobedience, mass protest, etc., go a long way.
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