i have agent orange cartels, warhol missions, and 2012 union forces...the cartels are 2009's and the blow the forces out of the water...better toe cap, better high back, and a really solid build. they also have less abuse and scratches over 3 years than the forces over 15 days
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Never Summer Evo 153/Restricted ReFlex Cartel
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