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post #5 of (permalink) Old 10-10-2012, 11:40 AM
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Yes, I already said both lied. It's just inaccurate to only say Romney lied, while Obama didn't.

They both did. Welcome to politics!

Obama lost. No way to spin it. And what you describe is what all politicians have to do when they have a primary to win. They need to win the primary, so they out conservative each other (in the case of Democrats they out-liberal each other) and then move to the center for the national election.

It's Karl Rove 101. They're not trying to win a Boy Scouts badge of honor here, they're trying to win the election. They are pandering to voters.

Remember this whopper told by Barack Obama in 2007.

Let's not forget all of his other campaign promises that he flipped on while in the White House.

And let's definitely not forget his flip flop flip, on gay marriage. His position on gay marriage is so transparent. In 1996, while in a local race, he stated he was 100% for gay marriage and would oppose any laws against it. Then, when the race changed to a more national race for Senate, he changed his position. He maintained this position until his own internal polling found that most of America was ok with gay marriage, and then he flipped the switch again.

Seriously, if we're going to be pissed about things politicians do, at least be consistent.

These guys are driven not by what they really want, but by electoral incentives. It's why barack obama switched his stance on gay marriage. Nationally, it was not acceptable yet. His vast minority base opposes gay marriage. Only when his campaign bean counters said it was ok, did he switch back to his true stance.

But again, I was just pointing out, that Obama lied plenty. They both did. And that's called campaigning. But to call one a liar and pretend the other was truthful, well that's just digging a hole in the sand and putting our head in it.

As you can see by the link above, Obama lied plenty during the debate. He better prepare harder for the next two.

Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
So, Romney "won" the debate. Yeah, he was more dynamic, more personable, more energetic but then again, so is your average used car salesman; doesnt mean you really want to buy the car from him. The real irony here is that in order to "win" he actually had to distance and even downright disavow himself from his earlier positions that he has been advocating since before the primaries. In essence, to "win" with the American people, he had to make a major shift to the left. Not that any of that matters when it comes to the truth. Sure, he might have talked a good line and he could sell ice to Eskimos, but anyone who is a good liar, can do that, does not mean that you can trust anything they are telling you. Mitt Romney is a bit too much like Saruman from The Lord of the Rings or perhaps Wormtongue.....

10 of his most shameless lies:

Click here to read the 27 lies in 38 minutes of Mitt Romney in the debates:

At Last Night's Debate: Romney Told 27 Myths In 38 Minutes | ThinkProgress

So, if you are a Republican fine, but tell us how you can seriously have any idea of what you are voting for with this flip flopping shape shifter?
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