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post #11 of (permalink) Old 11-20-2012, 05:47 AM
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Way to over generalize there! What are these marketing materials? Last time I checked the burton site it says the cartels are " a shade more powerful than the malavitas". The reps would be the one that Nivek spoke to? Or have you personally spoken to one? And the reviews......nivek again?

If you read my posts more carefully you would have seen that I'm not disagreeing that the cartel highback is not as stiff as the vitas, I'm saying that the 2013 cartels do not have less support than the 2012's. the vita baseplate is softer than the cartel one though.

I think nivek is just comparing the 2013 cartel and vita highbacks rather than 2012 to 2013 cartels
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