Originally Posted by Donutz
Or maybe a little bit better medical system and social safety net, so people would actually have the capability to seek treatment for themselves or their family? Oh, that's right, the republicans don't like SOCIALISM. It's ok if some kids get killed, as long as we don't get SOCIALISM.
Seriously, the same people who are blocking any attempt to control firearms are the same people who are blocking any attempt to implement a system that would allow some options for mentally ill people, for people with no hope, for people who are backed into a corner, etc. Funny that. And yet no one suggests maybe the republican should change their stance on that a little. Oh, that's right, that might lead to SOCIALISM.
Not sure if you're speaking directly to me as if i'm some crazy right winger, but if you are, fucking chill bro. I posted nearly the same thing earlier (pg 29):
Originally Posted by backstop13
The underlying issue with all mass murders is mental instability. A majority (at least 75%) of these mass murderers had prior documented mental illnesses prior to their killing sprees. Do we blame the gun in this situation, or do we blame the lack of proper mental health care? I side with attacking the root of the problem, which is how shitty our care system is for those with mental deficiencies. My mom was recently laid off from a state ran mental institution which released 100 out of 500 patients to other care centers, while the other 400 or so were released out into the public. The reason for shutting the doors to the hospital was the state decided they couldn't fund the hospital any longer, so 400 people with mental deficiencies were just released back into the major population. They became free to obtain handguns, free to drive a car, free to do anything they wanted unchecked. Have they been taking their prescribed medications? Who knows. The state decided to declare them all mentally fit in order to justify shutting the doors. If you asked my mom if those people were stable enough to return to society as normal citizens, her opinion would be a resounding "no". If we as a society can't see the problem in that then we have bigger issues than banning weapons. Mental health has become something we as a society have pushed to the side. We pretend it's not an issue and hide from it. We are embarrassed of our family members who portray signs of mental issues, we laugh at the "crazies" and their odd behavior, but we never try to actually address the problem with the same fervor we address firearms. I know that people have touched on the fact that other countries have just as many mental issues as the states so I'm not trying to rehash that, but I think the combination of the readily available firearms mixed with a lack of care for those with mental issues is a volatile. I think both angles need to be looked at equally.
the fact that I own firearms does not make me some republitard who can't reason with the other side. I've said many times that I think reform is in order, but an all out ban isn't the answer. Not every person in the south with a gun is a republican afraid of the socialism boogie-man.