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post #489 of (permalink) Old 12-21-2012, 05:15 PM
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No thats not it, it was meant to say the info is out there, just need to look for it, I did not feel like posting a whole pile of links. Either you want to see the info or not, if you do, and you really care......its out there. Try youtube, tone of stuff on there, and for both sides I may add. Google search it. Look at some of the smaller English rags, once again its all out there.
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