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post #454 of (permalink) Old 12-21-2012, 05:37 PM
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guns... evil or not

I'm going on my tangent right now...
I own 4 guns, 1 Mosin Nagant, 1 Winchester 1200 (pump shotgun), One Muzzleloader, and 1 Kimber Pro CDP 2 (M1911 .45 cal pistol).
I have personally used 5 other firearms on deployment, M249 SAW, M240B, M4, M2 .50 cal, M9 (Baretta 92FS)

My experience with firearms is pretty decent, and I also know that ALL of these firearms are legal to own in the US, yes even actual machine guns, foriegn or domestic.

now onto what firearms I want:
Saiga 12 (12 guage Semi Auto Shotgun, 20 round drum mags available, far cheaper than an AR15)
AKM (stamped steel version of the AK47, since real AKs are actually hard to get)
SKS (another russian rifle, chambered the same as a AK variant)

now, my understanding is that my friends north of the border or around the world would call me a psycho, saying that I am amassing a stockpile of weapons, and that I need my weapons taken away, my fellow US citizens in certain parts of the country would fear me, thinking that I am up to no good, and that I need to be disarmed, my fellow Army National Guardsmen would be interested in what I have collected, and would want to go to the firing range/trap club/hunting/plinking with me, and most of the people around the country wouldn't bat an eye, because they honestly don't see me toting all of these firearms around town...

if you have been reading and paying attention, I brought up Machine guns, which could actually qualify as 'super' assault weapons, the can throw upwards of 900 to 1200 rounds downrange per minute, many people own them, and many people shoot them, but what you dn't see are tons of massacres involving these weapons...
wait stop, now knowing that a machine gun is a powerful weapon...and that this would be the mass murderers favorite method... why aren't they used in more mass shootings...

the answer is opportunity, mass murderers get whatever they can actually obtain, be it an AR (which seems to be the trend), which can be explained by the fact that ARs are so damn popular.

now if you want to bring up the assault weapons ban, and say that it is the fix all of the issue, you are wrong, this is why, the assault weapons ban, emplaced in 94,
banned all assault style firearms in civilian hands, wasn't there still gun crime, robberies, and mass shootings, yes, columbine was just that:

In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend Robyn Anderson bought a rifle and the two shotguns at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998. Through Robert Duran, another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.

Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They sawed the barrels and butts off their shotguns to make them easier to conceal.[4] They committed numerous felony violations of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968, before they began the massacre.

On April 20, Harris was equipped with a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun, (which he discharged a total of 25 times) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines, which he fired a total of 96 times.

Klebold was equipped with a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. Klebold primarily fired the TEC-9 handgun, for a total of 55 times.

so why do you think that banning assault weapons is such a winning argument.
they committed a crime similar to this one with different weapons, some acquired legally, and some illegally.

I said this was a tangent, and I'm sorry that it keeps running around, but this is straight from my mind.

next you say, no firearms, burn them all, if all of the guns are gone, crime will go away...
wrong, criminal activities go up, and violent crimes go up, murders and non firearm crimes go up as well, not to mention that these criminals can still obtain firearms, so now a lone gunman can waklk down any neighbor hood with illegally obtained firearms and start a massacre, what now...

back to me wanting more firearms, do I seem uneducated and unable to handle a firearm, do I seem like a guy who wants to go into a school and shoot people, no, do I want to kill anyone, no, niether here or overseas, will I if my life depends on it, or my family, or my loved ones, or even a bunch of innocents, be they children teens adults or elderly, if I am armed I will defend...people see the trend in weaponry, but the forget the trend in places, schools, theaters, malls, all public, all ban firearms, and tend to be opportune targets, and there has been good to come from firearm ownership,
people protecting themselves and others because they were armed in the right place at the right time, but that is never covered in the news, no only the bad, the ugly and the scary...

basically I am trying to whittle it down to the fact that firearms are not the cause of these horrific crimes, and that people who are unstable are, and that there is no catch all to stop violent crimes, unlike some of you believe...
Let me have my guns, and feel safe, my apartment is safe, and so are my nieghbors, quit tagging guns and gun owners as inherently evil for wanting to collect and fire these weapons, for wanting to arm themselves legally, and for wanting to educate the youth in proper firearm technique, so go ahead, punish everyone for a few peoples stupidity...
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