Originally Posted by cjcameron11
Actually if you read the graph properly then the average (mean line) deaths from guns has decreased from 30% of homicides to 20% and knives have increased from34% to 38%. Hardly what i call "WAY" up. In fact i believe a drop of 10% and an increase of 4% = a total drop of 6% hence less homicides. The actual homicide numbers for 2006/07 were 15% gun (a 14% drop from 96) and 45% knife (a 11% increase from 96).
^You did read that right? shows how statistics are skewed to support an argument (like i did and you did)
Look i have skipped a few pages so forgive me if i repeat anything others have said. First off, Australia, well im from there and i have also lived in the US for 5 years.
Some observations from me, in my entire life in Aus i have never seen anyone have a pistol in their car, my first week in Louisiana i saw 4 in cars i rode in. Secondly, in Aus i have never seen a gun pulled at a party, my 2nd month in the US i did.
Thirdly, after Port Arthur (96 massacre) gun laws were obviously changed, so does that mean crime rates change? Probably not but what it does mean is that GUN crime goes down, which means that there will be less massacres or mass killings which i believe was the entire point of the revised laws. We have not had one since and hopefully never do again.
Your analogies are a way for you to justify owning such weapons that may be banned should gun laws be tightened. For starters knife crime did not go "WAY" up, i'm sure it increased and why do you think that is, well its cos those assholes who kill didn't have access to a gun that could feasibly kill many more people in one go. I also know that if someone pulled a knife i have a better chance of running from them than out running a barrage of bullets.
Anyone who compares other forms of crime or homicide to that with an assault weapons is searching for a way to justify their outdated, ignorant and selfish views and wants. I AM YET TO HEAR A VALID REASON WHY A CIVILIAN NEEDS AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Australia is a much safer place than the US and i attribute this to our gun laws and how hard it is to get your hands on one. Your analogy of someone beating people in a mall with a tyre iron is so far off rational its laughable.
If someone walks into a mall and starts stabbing people or beating them with a baseball bat, i am 100% certain someone would try and stop them if not more than one, if someone does the same with a gun then i'm tipping everyone runs.
I am sorry Jeff but you are way off, and until you have lived in my country then kindly keep your retarded comparisons to yourself, cos they are not relevant at all in your argument.
Had you read my subsequent post you would know that I said I can find stats that say anything. I posted links that support 3 different positions to emphasis that. My point being that this is america and what works elsewhere, will not work here. Does your gov't do things with your money and in your name that make you a target for every 3rd world fanatic on the planet? Does Aus. have armed bands of kooks running around the woods? Does Aus. have organized street gangs controlling most major inner cities? Do you REALLY think that ANY law is going to effect that? If we ban "assault" rifles feel free to come over take a walk through south central L.A. and see how safe you feel. We had a mall shooting in Omaha, kid used a hunting rifle, I have no idea if it would have been worse if he had a "assault" rifle. The fact remains that this is a problem with American society as whole, NOT with what hardware is available. We glorify this shit, TV ratings are based on this shit, political hacks on both sides make money off this shit, gun lobbies throw tons of money at this shit, anti gun lobbies throw tons of money at this shit...to en act any legislation based on these emotional events is ludicrous...think 911 and the patriot act....When Aus. faces the same problems as we do here then come back and talk shit . And to you personally, to stop at a post, take it out of context with out reading beyond WTF ever got your panties in a wad and call me retarded is...well ignorant to say the least. Why don't you go throw a boomerang and try to hit yourself in the head because you know fuck all about the U.S.
Originally Posted by cjcameron11
And sorry i couldn't resist this one, seriously you think your hand gun saved you from dying from a rattlesnake bite? Dude i live in a country that has 7 of the top 10 deadly snakes, i grew up in the country where we frequently (every second day) had the 2nd (eastern brown) and 5th (tiger snake) most venomous snake on our back step or in our yard.
You know how many i killed with a gun? ?? ONE and that was cos i had no choice,it came into the house. USUALLY i would just walk away and they in turn, left. So forgive me for thinking that a handgun for snakes is fucking stupid, never mind having to have a great fucking aim, if you are so damn close why would you waste time and shoot it, how bout just walk away.
Ohh and FYI about 12 people die in the US from snake bites every year (most aged 55+). In Australia with all our deadly snakes ww lose statistically 1.5 people per year from snake bites. And i believe most people in both countries were handing snakes or trying to. Maybe instead of shooting at snakes with a handgun you should try and educate yourself on what to do instead.
Ok Ok you got me...I was bit as a kid, became violently ill, after that I carried a .22 pistol, and shot every fucking snake I saw. And yes I AM DEADLY accurate with...well....anything...so didn't "save my life" .....meh....I'm pulling "A you" and calling you a retard for no reason other then cultural differences cause I don't feel like typing anymore...so fuck off you POS descendant of an english convict