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Old 12-01-2011, 01:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Nolefan: They were both fun, I just felt like the Westmark was more refined and more dialed as an overall package. The sidecut shape, flex pattern and camber profile combine and just make it easy and fun to ride. The Ultrafear isn't a bad board by any means but it is missing that magic in the Westmark. The very few areas where you could go into the trees I took only the Westmark and it did alright. There wasn't really enough places to go to comment on this for me, yet.

The Westmark definitely had some of that longboard/surf magic to it because of that center side cut and the continuous parabolic rocker shape. I can't even imagine how fun this thing would be in pow, but again, not fair for me to make assumptions since there wasn't any deep powder yet.

When I say the Ultrafear is stiffer, it isn't by a lot. Flexing them under foot is a lot different than flexing by hand. The placement of flex points and the fact you have to take balance into account means that a machine or hand flex test is going to come up with an real "standard" number that won't mean a lot under foot. Flexing is subjective and a stiffer board on a machine might flex easier under foot just depending on the balance points, flex points and rider's preference.
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Well, I bought a 153 ultrafear. It was there, and made my decision easier. From what I understand, both a pretty damn good boards. I'll let you know what I think this year. If it lacks, I could always sell it since they are in such limited production. Definitely broke my own rule on demoing first.
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Old 12-02-2011, 01:43 PM   #23 (permalink)
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They are both good boards and honestly, it's going to boil down to preference between just how the board feels underfoot if you'd like one more over the other. One is continuous parabolic rocker, the other is freestyle flat kick with rocker starting after the insert packs.

IMO, decisions between the Westmark, Ultrafear or Evo aren't really critical unless you were to ride them side by side - they are all good boards. You will likely be happy with one if you never got on the others. I just happen to have both the Evo and Westmark. They are all three good boards that you can progress your park riding as much as you want. You might happen to prefer one of the other if you got the chance to ride all of them, but if not, there's no sense in worrying if another board is 5% better than what you got if you are happy with the board you have. Just my 2cents.

@ kctahoe: Hey, let us know how you like it. @ 190ish, I think the 156 should be just the right amount of board for you.
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:42 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Conditions: Jay Peak- The Jet. It's all that was open and we booked the trip months ago but like everyone, they got skunked. Ugh, crap. True ice in the middle with a dusting of snow packed down in places. Left side wasn't completely track up and had a bit more snow. Moguls on the right side with plenty of granular powder. Deep troughs and peaks, grade approaching 100% in some areas. Not my area of expertise. Some crappy but deeper pow stew at the bottom mixed in with brush, dirt and leaves; very heavy stew.

So first off, I tackled this terrain way too fast starting out. After getting the speed dialed back and figuring out how to play with the Grip-Tech, things started picking up. First of all, the weakest area of this board (damping) came out. Now, good board feel is critical to jibbing and some park riding, so maybe this isn't really leveling a criticism but more just pointing out intended use versus actual use. It didn't like this terrain too much. You felt everything and it bucked you like a wild bull. Once you get it under thumb and understood the limits, it worked, just not as well as something with a bit more damping. Oh well, you do what you can.

Once I got dialed in, I realized playing in the moguls was pretty damned fun but quite challenging. Here, the boards shortness really helped but the longer effective edge (116.9cm) kind of hurt the maneuverability for what you'd expect in a short, short board. Like a GSXR 1000 through a cone slalom compared to a Aprilia 250R; you still feel very nimble and athletic but it just didn't snap around stuff. It's more of a feel thing that an actual limiting riding - the board's edge is still short in the scheme of things and you can still thread the needle quite easily but it feels just a bit longer than a typical 150. This is a board you'd have no problem taking through stuff like this or tight trees, provided you are surfing it and not trying to plow through poo poo. You'll definitely need a beefier board for that because you'd get bucked right off course with the Westmark.

Once I got dialed in on the moguls, I started throwing some backsie 1's while traversing out of the troughs. Stomping down felt satisfying and fun and each one let me get more and more confident with popping harder and airing it more. Nothing surprising here.

I rode over some exposure, big ass rocks, clumps of dirt and whatever else the base held up like a champ. I'm impressed with this Rocket Base. A fresh waxing Friday night gave it some serious speed near the bottom where you can really let the throttle loose.

There was some crap stew of granular gun powder, sticks, leaves, twigs, berries and probably a body or two at the bottom that was pleasantly free of any real hazards like rocks. Float here was good as to be expected with a center parabolic rocker shape. Not a very good test of the powder capabilities of this board, but that can't be helped. My instincts tell me it'd be a little above average, only being hurt because of the blunted shape, non-directional design and shorter length. Again, not really criticisms considering our POU, but worth mentioning.

I want one really good pow day to wring it out and another day or two to hammer it at Carinthia but my overall impressions of the board aren't really diminished. It's very good at what it purports to be and doesn't make any bones about not being exceptional (but not necessarily bad, either) at the rest.
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Conditions: Jay Peak- The Jet. It's all that was open and we booked the trip months ago but like everyone, they got skunked. Ugh, crap. True ice in the middle with a dusting of snow packed down in places. Left side wasn't completely track up and had a bit more snow. Moguls on the right side with plenty of granular powder. Deep troughs and peaks, grade approaching 100% in some areas. Not my area of expertise. Some crappy but deeper pow stew at the bottom mixed in with brush, dirt and leaves; very heavy stew.

So first off, I tackled this terrain way too fast starting out. After getting the speed dialed back and figuring out how to play with the Grip-Tech, things started picking up. First of all, the weakest area of this board (damping) came out. Now, good board feel is critical to jibbing and some park riding, so maybe this isn't really leveling a criticism but more just pointing out intended use versus actual use. It didn't like this terrain too much. You felt everything and it bucked you like a wild bull. Once you get it under thumb and understood the limits, it worked, just not as well as something with a bit more damping. Oh well, you do what you can.

Once I got dialed in, I realized playing in the moguls was pretty damned fun but quite challenging. Here, the boards shortness really helped but the longer effective edge (116.9cm) kind of hurt the maneuverability for what you'd expect in a short, short board. Like a GSXR 1000 through a cone slalom compared to a Aprilia 250R; you still feel very nimble and athletic but it just didn't snap around stuff. It's more of a feel thing that an actual limiting riding - the board's edge is still short in the scheme of things and you can still thread the needle quite easily but it feels just a bit longer than a typical 150. This is a board you'd have no problem taking through stuff like this or tight trees, provided you are surfing it and not trying to plow through poo poo. You'll definitely need a beefier board for that because you'd get bucked right off course with the Westmark.

Once I got dialed in on the moguls, I started throwing some backsie 1's while traversing out of the troughs. Stomping down felt satisfying and fun and each one let me get more and more confident with popping harder and airing it more. Nothing surprising here.

I rode over some exposure, big ass rocks, clumps of dirt and whatever else the base held up like a champ. I'm impressed with this Rocket Base. A fresh waxing Friday night gave it some serious speed near the bottom where you can really let the throttle loose.

There was some crap stew of granular gun powder, sticks, leaves, twigs, berries and probably a body or two at the bottom that was pleasantly free of any real hazards like rocks. Float here was good as to be expected with a center parabolic rocker shape. Not a very good test of the powder capabilities of this board, but that can't be helped. My instincts tell me it'd be a little above average, only being hurt because of the blunted shape, non-directional design and shorter length. Again, not really criticisms considering our POU, but worth mentioning.

I want one really good pow day to wring it out and another day or two to hammer it at Carinthia but my overall impressions of the board aren't really diminished. It's very good at what it purports to be and doesn't make any bones about not being exceptional (but not necessarily bad, either) at the rest.
Get detailed review again brother.

Haven't got a chance to take my West out yet. They are pumping out mad ice here in Pa, but it's super sunny by day. Eastcoast sucks! Nothing but green grass still!
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Okay, honestly, what was bad about it/what were it's weakpoints.
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Okay, honestly, what was bad about it/what were it's weakpoints.
Maybe you should go back and read his review again.
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Il have a post up by tonight, but id just like to add that I've had a westmark 153 for about 3 weeks now and I think cheeze's review is spot on. However, sadly disappointed in Arbor's durability. Look for mh post in the boards section later tonight if you are curious to hear more and see pics.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:15 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Okay, honestly, what was bad about it/what were it's weakpoints.
Damping, as noted above, is absent. This makes it unforgiving in rough terrain and a bit chattery when hauling flat.

Grip isn't magnetraction level so you have to be very aware of the limits. It's good for a rocker design but doesn't have the death claws.

It isn't going to float the best in powder if you size for park riding and if you size it up for powder, it's not going to be as fun on rails. It's a hair stout for getting super tech while jibbing where the Draft is good but almost too soft to do anything but rails on.

Even with grip tech, it's rocker so you have to stomp your landings a bit.

There honestly isn't much bad to say about it other than potential durability issues. I haven't experienced any yet, but Before2Day points out he smashed his edge and base doing apparently casual riding which is not up to expectations at all. Some people might find the snap a bit average, I think it's solid.

It's very good at what it's designed for (park cruising and casual approach to all mountain freestyle) and what it's bad at is not unexpected. Big mountain freestyle, bombing very tough and technical terrain and deep, deep powder riding aren't going to be strong.

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I've had my Westmark for about 2 weeks now but I haven't had time to hit the slopes. Going on Saturday for the first time this season,so stoked!!!!
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