Review: 2012 Arbor Westmark 150 - Page 5 - Snowboarding Forum

jdang307 · 12-31-2011, 01:27 AM

Actually a 151 SL to a 152 Evo, and I can press pretty easy now, but it didn't make me a better butter'er

It is definitely easier to press, but I still have to learn technique. The board didn't make me better, just allowed me to learn easier, but still have to learn it (and learning). I pulled off a damn long press on it the other day. No ground tricks yet, but getting the press down

lonerider · 12-31-2011, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jdang307

Actually a 151 SL to a 152 Evo, and I can press pretty easy now, but it didn't make me a better butter'er

It is definitely easier to press, but I still have to learn technique. The board didn't make me better, just allowed me to learn easier, but still have to learn it (and learning). I pulled off a damn long press on it the other day. No ground tricks yet, but getting the press down

Ooops...

took the wind of out the sails of my rant, but same difference!

jdang307 · 12-31-2011, 03:27 AM

No your point still stands. Just wanted to clarify and add a little. The Evo makes it a little easier but it's still me learning to do it vs getting a board to do it for me

jliu · 12-31-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lonerider

No, sizing down will not help you butter. Learning how to butter will help you butter

(edited per jdang correction)

If you know what you are doing, it doesn't matter what length board you are riding.
.

excellent...kinda what i wanted to hear...will continue to practice. I was watching old school vids of Terry Kidwell buttering and that has inspired me...lol

2 of 4 "This Is Snowboarding" With Team SIMS & Terry Kidwell - YouTube

(1:55 mark)

phile00 · 12-31-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lonerider

No, sizing down will not help you butter. Learning how to butter will help you butter

(edited per jdang correction)

If you know what you are doing, it doesn't matter what length board you are riding.
If you are bad, you are going to be bad no matter how short a board you get. The board you have is almost ideal - don't delude yourself that skill is one credit card purchase away!

Trust me... no board is going to let you ride like this:

You probably immediately though "what board is that guy riding?" and missed the complete point of my post... sigh. I'll force you to search to find out... but it is stiffer than the Westmark... directional, TRADITIONAL camber board... from 2008.

Yeah, this is obvious. It's 90% board and 10% rider. That said, the guy in the video prolly has detuned the tip and tail of his snowboard for it to butter that freely.

Btw, that video is retarded. I'm not saying I could do better, but he's just doing the same butter over and over again to really obnoxious music. Looks like he's snowboard figure skating.

Torstein, Figure Snowboarding

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CheeseForSteeze · 01-04-2012, 09:50 AM

So an old guy on skis ran into me from behind last weekend. It took a nice chunk out of my tail, including the Power Ply veneer topsheet and exposed some of the core/fiberglass laminate and layup. I dried it out over a couple of days inside and then epoxy'd it and am letting it cure before I sand/file it down. I think it will be ok, it shouldn't delam.

Base is holding up fairly well, at least. No real deep shots, yet.

CheeseForSteeze · 01-04-2012, 09:55 AM

Had to say on that buttering vid, too. That guy has good skills and technique but no style!

Edit was a bit annoying, too. But the point remains, that yes, you can butter anything. Westmark makes it less work but you still need technique.

jliu · 01-04-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CheeseForSteeze

Had to say on that buttering vid, too. That guy has good skills and technique but no style!

Edit was a bit annoying, too. But the point remains, that yes, you can butter anything. Westmark makes it less work but you still need technique.

The 'edit' (if you can call it that) was probably from the late 80s early 90s...so yea...no gopros, 5ds, reds, cineflexes, final cut pro there...lay off...hehe :P

And style...that was probably the first iteration of "style" on a snowboard...

Man hope your westmark is ok! I'll be taking mine to Stowe this weekend...hopefully it wont get needlessly battered up...

Was it a huge impact? Do you think other boards would've withstood the impact better?

CheeseForSteeze · 01-04-2012, 11:36 AM

Nah that edit is definitely from post 2000. Lonerider said his board was an '08 and the vid makes reference to Monster Energy drink which didn't come out until 2002. Good skills but a 4 minute video of it?

The impact knocked me off my feet, so it was pretty hard but no one got hurt except the board. I doubt anything without maybe a carbonium topsheet would have stood up. The damage wasn't bad, just a chip out about the size of a nickel. Nothing some epoxy and little elbow grease won't fix.

jliu · 01-04-2012, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CheeseForSteeze

Nah that edit is definitely from post 2000. Lonerider said his board was an '08 and the vid makes reference to Monster Energy drink which didn't come out until 2002. Good skills but a 4 minute video of it?

The impact knocked me off my feet, so it was pretty hard but no one got hurt except the board. I doubt anything without maybe a carbonium topsheet would have stood up. The damage wasn't bad, just a chip out about the size of a nickel. Nothing some epoxy and little elbow grease won't fix.

Ohh...my bad! Thought you were referring to the Terry Kidwell vid...haha...clearly im still on vacation. Yea..the one lonerider posted is 08. I believe he's on a Unity board. Definitely style is lacking in that!

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12-31-2011, 01:27 AM	#41 (permalink)
jdang307 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,075	Actually a 151 SL to a 152 Evo, and I can press pretty easy now, but it didn't make me a better butter'er It is definitely easier to press, but I still have to learn technique. The board didn't make me better, just allowed me to learn easier, but still have to learn it (and learning). I pulled off a damn long press on it the other day. No ground tricks yet, but getting the press down

12-31-2011, 03:27 AM	#43 (permalink)
jdang307 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,075	No your point still stands. Just wanted to clarify and add a little. The Evo makes it a little easier but it's still me learning to do it vs getting a board to do it for me

01-04-2012, 09:50 AM	#46 (permalink)
CheeseForSteeze -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,728	So an old guy on skis ran into me from behind last weekend. It took a nice chunk out of my tail, including the Power Ply veneer topsheet and exposed some of the core/fiberglass laminate and layup. I dried it out over a couple of days inside and then epoxy'd it and am letting it cure before I sand/file it down. I think it will be ok, it shouldn't delam. Base is holding up fairly well, at least. No real deep shots, yet.

01-04-2012, 09:55 AM	#47 (permalink)
CheeseForSteeze -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,728	Had to say on that buttering vid, too. That guy has good skills and technique but no style! Edit was a bit annoying, too. But the point remains, that yes, you can butter anything. Westmark makes it less work but you still need technique.

01-04-2012, 11:36 AM	#49 (permalink)
CheeseForSteeze -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,728	Nah that edit is definitely from post 2000. Lonerider said his board was an '08 and the vid makes reference to Monster Energy drink which didn't come out until 2002. Good skills but a 4 minute video of it? The impact knocked me off my feet, so it was pretty hard but no one got hurt except the board. I doubt anything without maybe a carbonium topsheet would have stood up. The damage wasn't bad, just a chip out about the size of a nickel. Nothing some epoxy and little elbow grease won't fix.