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Old 01-02-2014, 11:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cat ski trip heading out in the am. I don't like what I see and ivambterrified of avalanches. Danger Rating: Friday Alpine Treeline Below Treeline

4 - High
Very dangerous avalanche conditions. Travel in avalanche terrain not recommended.

4 - High
Very dangerous avalanche conditions. Travel in avalanche terrain not recommended.

3 - Considerable
Dangerous avalanche conditions. Careful snowpack evaluation, cautious route finding and conservative decision making essential.
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3 - Considerable
3 - Considerable
Treeline
3 - Considerable
3 - Considerable
Below Treeline
3 - Considerable
2 - Moderate
Confidence: Fair
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New snow and wind will likely overload the upper snowpack on a variety of aspects but particularly those on lee aspects in exposed areas. Keep it conservative Friday as the snowpack adjusts to this new load.

Travel and Terrain Advice
Avoid all avalanche terrain during periods of heavy loading from new snow, wind, or rain.
With several weaknesses in the upper meter of the snowpack, the snowpack will require a few days to settle.
Good day to make conservative terrain choices.
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What Elevation Zone?Which Slopes?Chance of Avalanches?Expected Size?
The presence of buried weak layers increases the likelihood of larger avalanches that could release to a depth of a metre or even more. The distribution and reactivity of persistent weak layers is highly complex at the present time.

Travel and Terrain Advice
Avoid all avalanche terrain during periods of heavy loading from new snow, wind, or rain.
Avoid convexities or areas with a thin or variable snowpack.
Avoid areas with overhead hazard.
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Old 01-02-2014, 11:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What outfit are you going with? Those cat guides usually know their terrain really, really damn well and oftentimes even do some snowpack management in their zones. They know what they're doing. If you feel that uncomfortable, just straight up tell them that you want to stay out of avy terrain completely. They'll have some safe zones to ride that won't slide.
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Thanks man. It was a big step for me to go in the first place and the thoughts of such horrible conditions bulls me out. I don't even care about the 400 bucks I spent. I guess I will head up and assess once I am there.
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With that avy forecast, don't expect to be riding anything too exciting. But, like I said, they know their terrain and I bet you'll still have a shit ton of fun.
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One of the first things they told us at the intro to avy class was that conditions near perfection at an equal and relevant rate to avy danger. That is why there are books like "Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain" by Bruce Tremper, your new Bible.

Cat ski operations have surprisingly little to gain by getting you or themselves killed.

If you show up and the cat looks like something from a comedy movie and all the guides are drunk, maybe don't go.
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Don't all cat/heli ski places @ least have the option of airbags?

You would think? I would.

I would go, in a heartbeat



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That is why there are books like "Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain" by Bruce Tremper, your new Bible.
Saw this book quoted the hundreds time here. Seems to be really a bible...? If so, what makes it different to other avy books?
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Don't all cat/heli ski places @ least have the option of airbags?

You would think? I would.

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Man, too much emphasis on these things and too many people have now been killed relying on them. Sure use it if it is available but this in no way should EVER sway your decision. This is the first step in how you or your friends die.

High rating is scary. Out in those conditions in avalanche terrain and you will see recent slides are may even witness some. Which from a safe distance is really cool. It also means there is a lot of new snow.

Snowklinger is right. The operator has little to gain by getting clients buried and a lot to lose. They know the terrain very well and should take you to some fun stuff. Listen to your guides and ride the lines you are directed too or talk about. Don't fucking punt and change it up last second on your ride because a line would be more fun. I would wager that a good majority of the accidents with a guided outfit are started this way. Don't deviate. Be disciplined. You'll have fun.

Have to ask would you be questioning this if the rating was considerable? How about moderate? Most accidents actually happen in those ratings. Not high.

Listen to your guides, do the drills for that worst case scenario, and have a good time. You should be bringing nothing back but epic smiles.

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And btw, good for you for reading the avy report. You should do that everyday. Even though you feel like you don't know much. You'll be surprised about how much you learn by reading it. That alone can help make you an asset out there.
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Saw this book quoted the hundreds time here. Seems to be really a bible...? If so, what makes it different to other avy books?
Bruce Tremper the author is one of the most respected guys in the world when it comes to avalanche science. Though that is not really why his book is so recommended. It is the fact that it is a fairly entertaining and easy book to read. He puts it out there in layman's terms and sprinkles a little humor in there. Just about everyone can understand it.

He has a new book out called Avalanche Essentials: A Step by Step System for Safety and Survival.

I think I am going to go pick it up today actually. I've read staying alive in Avalanche terrain maybe a dozen times now. It is a great way to refresh your memory of what you need to pay attention to in the field. I suspect this new book is just as awesome, maybe even more so.
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