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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 02-18-2011, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
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R.I.P.


Well wishes for the family. Very sad.
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sad, seems so many this year.

thoughts to the family.
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Eeesh.. condolences to his parents, travel safe out there, it appears he was wearing a beacon and had avi gear. May he rest in peace and grace our prescence as an eagle... A half hour between call and recovery did this young man in.... i shed a tear (literally) for Caleb... RIP

EDIT: A HALF HOUR!! with a partner, please be safe out there people...
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A half hour between call and recovery did this young man in....
EDIT: A HALF HOUR!! with a partner, please be safe out there people...
no. this is BS - or at least poorly worded..

backcountry is defined as being an hour or more from life sustaining care. these guys were hiking in, with beacons, dropping one at a time. sounds like they had at least some sense about it - but in any backcountry situation the only thing you can rely on a recovery call recovering is a body.

if you arent killed by the initial trauma of a slide then you have 15 minutes to get unburied.... get out in that 15 minutes and your survival rate will be around 90%.. it drops off really quick after that.

bottom line is its up to your crew to keep each other safe out there - and even then sometimes it doesnt matter. the mountain doesnt care about your feelings or your families. rest in peace.
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here is the incident report from the local avalanche center, for a little more information. They dug two pits, discussed what aspects were safe. The first rider descended safely, second rider with less experience veered onto a heavily wind loaded area and triggered the slide which broke above and deep. Winds had been very high since the Saturday before, moving a lot of snow from a 30" storm that had ended the Tuesday before. The victim was under 5 feet of hard wind slab snow, a fast recovery by one partner was not in the cards. The avalanche forecast was moderate.

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Let's put this in perspective. These guys did have experience and did follow protocols. The thing is the best way to survive and avalanche is to not get caught in one. Around 70% of those buried die from the trauma of getting buried. Of those 30% left over, the only chance to be recovered alive is your partner. That is where avy gear comes into play. When recovering a person in a burial situation the average amount of snow you have to move is two tons. Of the people who you are capable of being recovered alive, if you pull it off in under 15 minutes you have a 90% success rate. It drops but is still a high number if you pull it off in 30 minutes. 60-70% somewhere in there. After 30 minutes the numbers really go south. Less than 5% I believe.

So if you are out there making stupid decisions and relying on your avy gear and partners to save you, you are playing with a loaded gun. Avy gear and training is a must, but consider it more like a seat belt in a car. You know your chances are increased that you'll survive a wreck, but you also know there is no guarantee that you will.

We are in a bad stretch right now. Lot's of deaths out there. Some of the best in backcountry experience have been killed out there and some of the least informed. An avalanche just doesn't give a shit on what you do or do not know. It'll kill you dead just the same. It's a harsh reminder. I wish Caleb was still here to share his experience.

RIP Caleb and my most sincere condolences to his friends and family.
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no. this is BS - or at least poorly worded..

backcountry is defined as being an hour or more from life sustaining care. these guys were hiking in, with beacons, dropping one at a time. sounds like they had at least some sense about it - but in any backcountry situation the only thing you can rely on a recovery call recovering is a body.

if you arent killed by the initial trauma of a slide then you have 15 minutes to get unburied.... get out in that 15 minutes and your survival rate will be around 90%.. it drops off really quick after that.

bottom line is its up to your crew to keep each other safe out there - and even then sometimes it doesnt matter. the mountain doesnt care about your feelings or your families. rest in peace.
It made sense when i wrote it last night but after re-reading i'm not sure what point i was trying to make, sorry for the confusion
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Around 70% of those buried die from the trauma of getting buried
I thought trauma killed approximately 25% with asphyxiation claiming the rest?

Either way, once you get caught in a slide, you're relying on a whole lot of luck and hopefully your buddies have a little bit of skill to help out.
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damn thats sad, RIP
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