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Old 12-11-2011, 09:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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just wondering for those that cannot afford a beacon (or perhaps forgot to pack it on a trip/lost luggage etc)?

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You can just depends where you go. Just make sure you practice a ton before you actually go out with it so you know how to use it properly. If it hits the fan that's the wrong time to learn how to use it.
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just wondering for those that cannot afford a beacon (or perhaps forgot to pack it on a trip/lost luggage etc)?

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You can rent them at some shops and heli/cat companies give them to you.


Having a beacon in not enough... you need a lot of practice with the particular model you are using so you know how to read it. So renting one (aside from using one as part of a heli/cat ski tour where there are well-trained guides) is again very foolish (basically suicidal).

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Old 12-11-2011, 04:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You can rent them at some shops and heli/cat companies give them to you.

There is really no excuse for forgetting to pack it or losing it in the luggage (carry-on), I wouldn't ride in the backcountry with someone who isn't even dependable enough to remember their beacon
Not trying to start an argument, but I disagree. People forget shit all the time. and there are a MILLION reasons why someone might forget to pack a beacon OR not have it with them - Luggage gets lost, perhaps you got robbed. Your bag was stolen. You specifically told your wife to grab your pack and instead she grabed your shaving kit. Perhaps it got run over and you cannot afford to spend another $500 on a beacon AT THIS MOMENT. better still, perhaps you have children, and with the GAZZILION things you need to remember, you forgot to pack it - you HAD it out and organized and laying by the luggage, but with a crying toddler and a nagging wife, it slipped your mind for the briefest of moments and you zip up your luggage (assuming the beacon is under the diapers) and realize it wasn't when you get to the chalet. And now all of a sudden I'm irresponsible and not trust worthy to ride with? That's just nonsense.

I see the point you are trying to make. I truly do. But let's try and get practical for just a moment and not generalize EVERY situation as irresponsible actions. Buddy, I have a toddler and at times, when packing for vacations, shit slips your mind - and it's NOT because I'm irresponsible. It's called life. And I dont know about you, but MY carry on has baby bottles, diapers, baby wipes, passports, wallet, some healthy snacks for my child, activities to keep her busy on the plane.... well, you see my point.

as to your other points and those mentioned numerous times by numerous people - Working knowledge of the beacon and HOW TO USE IT IS ESSENTIAL. I wouldn't want to have someone looking for me learning their beacon through trial by fire.

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Not trying to start an argument, but I disagree. People forget shit all the time. and there are a MILLION reasons why someone might forget to pack a beacon OR not have it with them - Luggage gets lost, perhaps you got robbed. Your bag was stolen. You specifically told your wife to grab your pack and instead she grabed your shaving kit. Perhaps it got run over and you cannot afford to spend another $500 on a beacon AT THIS MOMENT. better still, perhaps you have children, and with the GAZZILION things you need to remember, you forgot to pack it - you HAD it out and organized and laying by the luggage, but with a crying toddler and a nagging wife, it slipped your mind for the briefest of moments and you zip up your luggage (assuming the beacon is under the diapers) and realize it wasn't when you get to the chalet. And now all of a sudden I'm irresponsible and not trust worthy to ride with? That's just nonsense.

I see the point you are trying to make. I truly do. But let's try and get practical for just a moment and not generalize EVERY situation as irresponsible actions. Buddy, I have a toddler and at times, when packing for vacations, shit slips your mind - and it's NOT because I'm irresponsible. It's called life. And I dont know about you, but MY carry on has baby bottles, diapers, baby wipes, passports, wallet, some healthy snacks for my child, activities to keep her busy on the plane.... well, you see my point.

as to your other points and those mentioned numerous times by numerous people - Working knowledge of the beacon and HOW TO USE IT IS ESSENTIAL. I wouldn't want to have someone looking for me learning their beacon through trial by fire.
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lonerider, I think you are being a little over judgmental here. Over the years, I've had a couple of the best guys in the avalanche business leave their beacon behind. Stupid shit happens. It's like forgetting another essential piece of gear, your snowboard boots. Yet I bet just about every one here has done that once.

As far as renting beacons go, most shops these days rent a 3 antenna beacon. If you are well practiced with a digital beacon, 3 antenna beacons are about as easy as they come to use. I can grab any 3 antenna beacon off of a shelf, make sure I understand the basics of how it operates(turning it on, search mode, display functions) and be proficient searching with it in a hurry. Yes, you should do a drill down on how it works. As long as you understand beacon searches, it's a quick adjustment to use a 3 antenna beacon. Yes it's not ideal. Still better than not having one by a mile. If said place that rents beacons doesn't have 3 antenna beacons, then they are probably renting the DTS. Which has a high percentage chance of being the beacon you already own, or have used in the past.

Maybe asking the question before it has happened doesn't paint the best picture. To answer your question marcedo, yes places rent beacons, typically mountaineering, backcountry specialty shops. If you are doing more than a day in the bc, it'll add up fast. Traveling throws me off a bit too, if I am flying. I'm not using my usual gear bag where I store all my bc gear. The best advice I can say, is pack your must have items in a bag you are taking first.
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I forgot my fucking gloves one time. So pissed, couldn't have been something I could've ridden without like a hat or goggles.
I'm just lucky that half my high school lives at my hill. Got a pair of gloves in like five minutes.
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I forgot my fucking gloves one time. So pissed, couldn't have been something I could've ridden without like a hat or goggles.
I'm just lucky that half my high school lives at my hill. Got a pair of gloves in like five minutes.
Ha years ago my boss forgot his skis he did not know until we got to there.How do you forget your skis
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Wow with that kind of holier than thou, self righteous attitude, I guess "lonerider" is an apt description. Might want to be careful, your riding partners might not have much motivation for even looking for you if you got buried...

Anyway, marcdeo, there is no shame in what you ask. Hell, I got to Alaska to ride with Chugach Powder Guides and my beacon just flat fucking quit. Worked the night before but during the morning beacon check it died. Turns out it had a cold solder joint and I sent it in to get repaired. I just borrowed one from the company and was set. Good thing I wasn't with "Mr perfect" there....

One thing I would always do though if renting, is to put in your own brand new set of Alkalines in it to be 100% sure and spend some time doing some practice searches.
You guys are right. I apologize. I over-reacted/misinterpreted the OP post, projecting my own personal situations into the conversion.

I recently got into a big argument with a friend of mine as he continually recommends to people to cut the out of bounds and trail closure lines for powder. He particularly cited resorts in Japan (which don't use explosives for avalanche control due to WWII restrictions). He also keeps saying that it was "perfectly safe" since it wasn't "vertical like steepness". I ended up having to try and dissuade this excited people from immediately going out of bounds per his sugestions.

Finally, I convinced him it was dangerous and then he sent me a miffed email later chastising at me for "not telling" him that you could suffocate in a tree well. He admits that while I have been warning people for decade about the dangers of tree wells, but always thought that the people die because of head injuries (or they knocked themselves out and only then suffocate) not that a "experienced rider could" simply fall into one of these 6-8 feet holes and get trapped injured and suffocate.

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