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Kill, Can't wait! I have been just itching to get out there, February is going to be a long long wait. For right now I'm just trying to soak up as much information as I can from the internet. Sick-Pow, thanks for the recommendation. Definitely will do. It's going to be good to get some hard-copy literature on the subject.

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Check out some books on it.

Bruce Tremper wrote the bible.
Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain by Bruce Tremper is a gold standard. Great read, just finished reading it for the 6th time this year.

LaChappelle wrote the bible, Tremper has done a great job refining it.

If you can get a copy, I highly recommend picking up Snow Weather Avalanche Guidelines, otherwise known as SWAG. You can download it by sections from the Forest Service Website here. Tremper, Greene, Pritchard, and many other top guys participated in it's creation and it's pretty awesome.
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Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain by Bruce Tremper is a gold standard. Great read, just finished reading it for the 6th time this year.

LaChappelle wrote the bible, Tremper has done a great job refining it.

If you can get a copy, I highly recommend picking up Snow Weather Avalanche Guidelines, otherwise known as SWAG. You can download it by sections from the Forest Service Website here. Tremper, Greene, Pritchard, and many other top guys participated in it's creation and it's pretty awesome.
Is this something Tattered Cover would have or do I need to go to a specialty shop to find these books?
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The Tattered Cover might have Staying Alive. I wouldn't be surprised. If they don't. Check out the Wilderness Exchange and REI in Denver. The Bentgate in Golden is another shop that would probably have it. You can also find it on Amazon.

As far as SWAG goes, no where sells it that I know of. They give it out at Level II classes, and I am not sure about Level I's as it didn't exist when I took mine. Worth you time to download it from the Forest Service site.

Another good book is the Avalanche handbook 2nd edition. It's the actual "bible" for avalanche safety. It's also pretty boring at times. The closest analogy to the book is it's the avalanche equivalent of Freedom of the Hills for Climbers. It's a great reference book and is worth having on your shelf if backcountry riding becomes something you do on a regular basis.
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ECT is now at least the continent wide standard, not sure why anyone would use anything else.

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I like the rutchsblock too, but I can set up and do 2 or 3 ECT's in different spots versus one Rutchsblock in one spot. Since spatial variability is such a big thing, the ECT has really taken over for me in that regard.
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The worst thing for me about a Rutchsblock though is if you have a nasty crust and trying to get your rope to go through it. You will use more energy sawing away with a rope with knots than you did skinning 2K vert.
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The worst thing for me about a Rutchsblock though is if you have a nasty crust and trying to get your rope to go through it. You will use more energy sawing away with a rope with knots than you did skinning 2K vert.
That's pretty funny!

I have a G3 Rutchsblock cord that I use. I have never had too much of a problem with that. Though now a days since I don't do the RB test all that much, I usually get away with just using my snow saw.
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Honestly I feel more comfortable taking 2-3 real quick ECTs throughout the day(in the exact areas Iím in) rather than spend an hour+ doing snow pack analysis one place which might give me false data and lead me astray later in the day, of course Iíd always just assume the worst and not the other way around.

As someone whoís very new to this Iím trying to really focus on paying the most attention to the Utah avalanche centerís info\forecast in combination with slope angle and aspect\terrain\route choice instead of complex snow pack analysis which for the time being I can leave up to the professionals at the UAC.

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A full snow pit profile takes a good amount of time, and is more geared for painting an overall picture. It is not something I would use for slope analysis. For trends and slopes/aspects you want might want to avoid or pay closer attention to, yes.

The quicker you can do pit work, the more likely you are to do it. To be honest, if I feel that sketched out, that I want to do numerous pits, I'm probably just going to go conservative instead. There will always be another day.
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