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post #31 of 83 (permalink) Old 10-10-2012, 04:19 PM
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That's the thing with virtually all electronics. The majority of the cost is in the development. The actual sum of the components usually isn't shit.

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BTW, anyone who's interested there's a group buy deal for the Mystery Ranch Blackjack airbag pack over at the TGR Forums.....

Mystery Ranch Group Buy

This sways my decision, I'm going with the MR pack!
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Just ordered a Mammut RAS 30 liter pack for this season. Will be rocking the airbag in the next week or two.
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Please post a detailed review when you get it... I'm between that one and the abs but no one stocks the mammut near me...
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With all the paper I've been stacking the last few months, it's something I'm gonna look into. Definitely looking smaller than 30L though. I think I'd prefer something more in the neighborhood of 20L. 25L tops.
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the ones we're talking about here are transferable to different pack setups. so you can buy a 30l and then for another 100-150 bucks you get an 18l or whatever...

i think dakine is making a pack that works with the abs system, there are a bunch of abs packs - all work with the base unit (the airbag). the RAS system is transferable to any other RAS pack (snowpulse/mammut).
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Why do people think a 30L pack is way too big? All of my bags over the last 10 years have either been 30 or 35 liter. Seems like the perfect day pack size to me and has been for a good number of years.

Shred I'll definitely post up. I probably won't have it until the week after next. Mammut is expecting to have the packs next week and then they'll ship my order.

I have played with the Mammut packs before. Several friends are rocking them. I know the packs are solid. As far as the airbag, it works like an airbag should. Pull the cord it blows up around your head. Which I like, better protection for the head. Of course the ABS has two bags, which means two bags have to be punctured to lose the float effect. That is not to be underestimated either. RAS or ABS seem to be the two best systems.
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for any noobs reading - many of the smallest sized shovels being sold today by some companies as snow safety gear are not acceptable for use in the bc.

G3, Black diamond, voile, i think ortovox and i'm sure others make shovels that have no business in anyone's bc pack as an 'essential' item.

don't get a teeny tiny little bitch shovel just to keep your pack light. get a man's shovel and save a life like a real 'murican hero
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I can see the desire for a smaller pack for side country and even close in back country. Riding with a pack sucks plain and simple, so the smaller the pack the more fun it is riding. I keep my pack as small and light as I possibly can. Carry a small stove to melt snow for water instead of carrying a big ass water bladder, keep my essentials as small and light as humanly possible.
My thoughts exactly. Plus, you gotta remember killclimbz, you're a pretty big dude. A 30L pack probably feels quite a bit smaller to you than it does to me.
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I think most people I go out with are rocking that size. Some no larger than you. They do cinch up quite a bit. Of course for slackcountry riding I would carry something much smaller. I know going out for a day in backcountry, I can't carry what I need to have. Sure I have some items that most people don't want. In addition to the standard avy package, I carry a first aid kit, SAM splint, CPR Mask, a warm layer (micro puffy), extra gloves, extra goggles, plus my food and water. All of that is stuff that I don't always or rarely use, but when you need it, you are awfully glad to have it. Pretty hard to get all of that in a 20 liter pack. Plus skins are going in the pack on the down and they do take up a fair amount of space. Of course those can go in a jacket pocket if it's big enough.
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