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ShredLife · 12-27-2012, 09:29 AM

i definitely plan on augmenting the Pro 45l for overnight stuff. they do make the pro in a 35l, maybe that would have been a better fir for you?

**killclimbz** · 12-27-2012, 10:11 AM

Yeah, it probably would have been the better buy. It made the pro form a lot more complicated and actually jacked the price up quite a bit having to buy the airbag separate from the pack. I can't really complain considering the price I paid. I might order the 35 liter pack later and sell the 30 liter one without the system for a ridiculous price.

What I really want is for those guys to add an insulated hydration shoulder strap. Freezing is a big issue here with our cold ass temps. The insulated shoulder strap is the only thing I have used that stops it from happening.

ShredLife · 12-27-2012, 10:24 AM

i realize that this could be dangerous given the purpose of the pack - and i haven't seen these in person yet, but could you just run an insulated bladder sleeve inside the strap with the handle? running next to the handle?

yea the insulated tubes aren't as good as a strap but its something...

**killclimbz** · 12-27-2012, 10:37 AM

I exchanged emails with the Mammut Rep JP about this. They do not recommend that action at all. Part of the problem I think is that the hose could get yanked instead of the handle in an emergency. Otherwise I don't really see it affecting the performance of the bag. This is one you'd have to make a decision on yourself and it if it goes south, could have serious ramifications in regards to the bag deploying or not. I *may* go that route, but not before I try a lot of other things first. Right now I've wrapped my already insulated hose with insulation tape for water pipes. It looks like shit, but if it works, I am cool with it. I don't suspect it will work though as the should strap rides high and tight to your body, getting insulation from there too.

ShredLife · 12-27-2012, 10:42 AM

well i'm sure you already know this but for any NEWPS reading along, remember to blow-back the water from the hose back into the bladder after drinking....

fuck i just use waterbottles.... i like taking a break

**killclimbz** · 12-27-2012, 10:44 AM

Yeah, I always blow back, but with a loaded pack, the water just gets pushed back up the tube. I'll probably be moving to water bottles, but damn I like the hydration hose much better over the course of a day.

ShredLife · 12-27-2012, 10:53 AM

i've been using aluminum water bottles from the dollar store. they're basically the same as a sigg but they're only a buck!

like i said before - i do like to stop and break along the way and its nice to take the pack off every now and then for a drink.... i also try to work on pre and post hydration more so i can just go when i'm out there...

**killclimbz** · 12-30-2012, 11:15 AM

Sooooooo...

I was out at Buffalo Pass yesterday. My look like shit insulation over the insulation hose didn't work and it froze right away. Avalanche danger at the spot I was hitting at Buff Pass is fairly non existent. I wanted hydration and one water bottle wasn't going to do it for me. So I ran the hose along with the pull handle. I didn't activate the bag of course, but in all honesty I don't see how a tube running along side the handle is going to cause your bag not to work. The main thing is to make sure one or the other is stashed out of the way so you don't accidently activate the bag or have the water hose get in the way of your ability to pull the handle. It was very easy to do and guess what? My hose didn't freeze all day. Of course this goes against manufacturer recommendations and probably voids any claim you might have if the bag doesn't deploy. Regardless it works and unless I really think I might need to deploy the bag, I am probably going to rock it that way. Of course if I think I will be getting in a situation where I might need to deploy the bag, I need to have my head checked as to why I am going out at that point...

AdamBQ · 01-01-2013, 11:09 AM

Doesn't camelpack make an insulation line to wrap your hose?

**killclimbz** · 01-01-2013, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamBQ

Doesn't camelpack make an insulation line to wrap your hose?

Yes, but it is not enough to keep your hose from freezing. I am using it. I suspect in warmer climates, like the PNW and California, maybe the insulated hose is enough most of the time. In Colorado, where the temps are usually in the teens or twenties, it's instant freeze. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that the hose doesn't ride high and tight against your body like it does in the should strap. So cold air surrounds it. I know I am breaking the rules, but I am pretty confident that this is a rule I can break.

12-27-2012, 09:29 AM	#61 (permalink)
ShredLife The Rooster King Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,345	i definitely plan on augmenting the Pro 45l for overnight stuff. they do make the pro in a 35l, maybe that would have been a better fir for you? __________________ get the hell off my lawn.

12-27-2012, 10:24 AM	#63 (permalink)
ShredLife The Rooster King Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,345	i realize that this could be dangerous given the purpose of the pack - and i haven't seen these in person yet, but could you just run an insulated bladder sleeve inside the strap with the handle? running next to the handle? yea the insulated tubes aren't as good as a strap but its something... __________________ get the hell off my lawn.

12-27-2012, 10:42 AM	#65 (permalink)
ShredLife The Rooster King Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,345	well i'm sure you already know this but for any NEWPS reading along, remember to blow-back the water from the hose back into the bladder after drinking.... fuck i just use waterbottles.... i like taking a break __________________ get the hell off my lawn.

12-27-2012, 10:53 AM	#67 (permalink)
ShredLife The Rooster King Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,345	i've been using aluminum water bottles from the dollar store. they're basically the same as a sigg but they're only a buck! like i said before - i do like to stop and break along the way and its nice to take the pack off every now and then for a drink.... i also try to work on pre and post hydration more so i can just go when i'm out there... __________________ get the hell off my lawn.

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12-27-2012, 10:11 AM	#62 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,178	Yeah, it probably would have been the better buy. It made the pro form a lot more complicated and actually jacked the price up quite a bit having to buy the airbag separate from the pack. I can't really complain considering the price I paid. I might order the 35 liter pack later and sell the 30 liter one without the system for a ridiculous price. What I really want is for those guys to add an insulated hydration shoulder strap. Freezing is a big issue here with our cold ass temps. The insulated shoulder strap is the only thing I have used that stops it from happening.

12-27-2012, 10:37 AM	#64 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,178	I exchanged emails with the Mammut Rep JP about this. They do not recommend that action at all. Part of the problem I think is that the hose could get yanked instead of the handle in an emergency. Otherwise I don't really see it affecting the performance of the bag. This is one you'd have to make a decision on yourself and it if it goes south, could have serious ramifications in regards to the bag deploying or not. I may go that route, but not before I try a lot of other things first. Right now I've wrapped my already insulated hose with insulation tape for water pipes. It looks like shit, but if it works, I am cool with it. I don't suspect it will work though as the should strap rides high and tight to your body, getting insulation from there too.

12-27-2012, 10:44 AM	#66 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,178	Yeah, I always blow back, but with a loaded pack, the water just gets pushed back up the tube. I'll probably be moving to water bottles, but damn I like the hydration hose much better over the course of a day.

12-30-2012, 11:15 AM	#68 (permalink)
killclimbz Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Front Range Posts: 9,178	Sooooooo... I was out at Buffalo Pass yesterday. My look like shit insulation over the insulation hose didn't work and it froze right away. Avalanche danger at the spot I was hitting at Buff Pass is fairly non existent. I wanted hydration and one water bottle wasn't going to do it for me. So I ran the hose along with the pull handle. I didn't activate the bag of course, but in all honesty I don't see how a tube running along side the handle is going to cause your bag not to work. The main thing is to make sure one or the other is stashed out of the way so you don't accidently activate the bag or have the water hose get in the way of your ability to pull the handle. It was very easy to do and guess what? My hose didn't freeze all day. Of course this goes against manufacturer recommendations and probably voids any claim you might have if the bag doesn't deploy. Regardless it works and unless I really think I might need to deploy the bag, I am probably going to rock it that way. Of course if I think I will be getting in a situation where I might need to deploy the bag, I need to have my head checked as to why I am going out at that point...

01-01-2013, 11:09 AM	#69 (permalink)
AdamBQ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 266	Doesn't camelpack make an insulation line to wrap your hose?