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Old 03-03-2013, 01:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Thanks to all convincing us to rent the splits! It was so easy to ascent with them, only the light backpack, no "sail" at the back. Could have hiked on and on and on

We'll defenitely join the split club and will buy some for next season. Haha, that opens a new field of need for recommendations what splits do you ride? Found the Hovy nice, very slashy, edge hold was great on ice, but all in all it was less agressive than the Flagship, bit soft on the frozen snow fields...




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Old 03-03-2013, 03:02 PM   #22 (permalink)
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nice and nice turns...go back and tell the shop ur going to demo that billy
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:37 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Its so easy to make me insecure... the conversation went on:
Me: "well... I ride a Flagship and I think I'm riding it pretty well"
He: "ugh... you'd be better on a womans board. Don't you have tired legs in the evening?" (Me getting puzzled if we talk of the same sport )
Then I gave him my stands for the split (+27/+12). He: "these are weird stances. You should ride duck stances, thats better if you want to ride switch" (me wondering why on earth I should want to ride switch with my pow board)

So I left the shop thinking hes talking nonsense but nevertheless it kept me asking myself if I do everything wrong. Well, not completely wrong, I think I perform well, but maybe I could be better with less stiff gear and other stances...? But just thinking of minus stance on the hind leg makes me wonder how one can ride higher speeds like that? The hind knee and hip will get twisted if you want to straight line, not? And wouldn't I loose stability in high speed with a less stiff board? I ride a stiff board cause I always did so. Tried some womans boards but was shocked how chattery they got at higher speeds. Maybe I tried the wrong ones...?
Arrrgh...

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nice and nice turns...go back and tell the shop ur going to demo that billy
I remember from other posts that your daughter rides a billy. Does she ride it as a split too? If yes, which size?

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Gnu Billy Goat:
My favorite split so far with C2BTX and light magnetraction. It is a little on the heavy side but like its standard coutrrpart, is agile and fast. Yes, it is longitudinally stiff but torsionally medium flex and quick edge to edge. Do t let a shop kid steer you away from it. I have small size 8.5 feet and can handle this board fine.
Thanks for this overview! I'll instst to get the test BG

Comparing the Flagship 158 and the Hovy 156 I had the impression, that the Hovy was harder to turn (although this contradicts everything I've read so far). If I initiate a turn, the Flagship immediately responds while the Hovy took its time (I soon adjusted riding and did the turns rather by lift-change the tail with the hind leg). Does that come from its wider waist?

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Later I will be able to report on the new Neversummer Prospector. It will be put through its paces in the spring and summer snow of the Washington Cascades!
They sell NS (and K2) here too, I'm very curious to hear of your impressions. In spring we'll spend some time in Zermatt (higher mountains) so I still have some opportunities to test

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Old 03-04-2013, 07:50 AM   #24 (permalink)
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neni, ride what you are comfortable with. I think you have one of those guys who believe what works great for them will work great for everyone. I am sure he is well meaning and that is a hard habit to break. I've been guilty of it. The interface systems are limited on angles, but what you have posted here should be possible with the Voile interface. Maybe not so much with Karakorum. This is your sport not his. If you want to play with the angles, by all means do it, but ride it how you like.

For the record I do ride duck. Pretty mellow stance. +-15. I don't do much switch, but the real advantage for me is being able to squat down very low with the duck stance. I ride very tight trees from time to time in Colorado and getting under low branches is just a reality. Forward angle stances block that.

As far as split go. Wolfie ran down most of them

The Never Summer Summit is another great split. Definitely a pow board with big mountain chops.

Venture makes great splits and their profile is the best for pure float. A little more sluggish when compare to the decks with rocker between the feet. They are much better for skinning steeps though. Lots of traction and the tips dive up which is great when breaking trail.

I've been demoing the Arbor Abacus split as of late. It's a very light board. Lighter than anything mentioned before. Rides great too. A little soft for me on the back end. I've washed it out a few times, but I am also a huge dude. Last few outings it hasn't been a problem for me either. I've got it figured out now. Worth looking at if that split is available in your area.

I haven't ridden it, but Burton's split using the channel system has some advantages too. If you have Spark Blaze bindings, Burton has a spacer for the pucks that allows you to adjust your angles with the bindings on. Pretty slick and makes for quick adjustments to your exact angles. I am generally not a fan of Big B, but I can't say they didn't put some thought into their splits. Simple stuff really, but it makes a difference.
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Id still like to see someone split a NS Raptor. Not willing to do it to mine yet. hmmm...Maybe time to find someones beatup raptor and experiment.........
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The interface systems are limited on angles, but what you have posted here should be possible with the Voile interface. Maybe not so much with Karakorum.
For the record I do ride duck. Pretty mellow stance. +-15. I don't do much switch, but the real advantage for me is being able to squat down very low with the duck stance. I ride very tight trees from time to time in Colorado and getting under low branches is just a reality. Forward angle stances block that.
Oh, good to know 'cause I was intending to get the Karakorum, since it seems to be more stable. I'll check where the limits of the angles are and will get used to those angles. Maybe it's time anyway to play around with the angles bit by bit and develop new muscle memory. I'll look out for the Arbor too.

Brought back the splits, the owner of the shop was there today. Chatted a bit, he asked how I liked the system and the Hovy, how I normaly ride and with whom and he then fetched brochures to show me what splits out of his next years stock he'd think to be most suitable for me: the mens Solution (his favorite one) and (ta-ta-taaaa) the Billy Goat!
As I asked him why his younger collegue was reluctant whith this board he told me that they had some incidences with girls overestimating their abilities, wanting this board cause "it looks cool" and were not able to enjoy it cause all they actually wanted is to calmly cruise down blues.
Well, I'll get the BG at the big testweekend, the NS and K2 ones will also be around. Getting very curious now
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Karakorum is very limited on their stance angles. It also has to be cleaned quite a bit from snow build up. The beauty of the voile pucks is that they are self cleaning. Using the Voile pucks with the new Spark Telsa system seems to be a pretty ideal set up. Self cleaning and a pinless binding system. Very slick. The Telsa system should be available in the fall.

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Karakorum is very limited on their stance angles. It also has to be cleaned quite a bit from snow build up. The beauty of the voile pucks is that they are self cleaning. Using the Voile pucks with the new Spark Telsa system seems to be a pretty ideal set up. Self cleaning and a pinless binding system. Very slick. The Telsa system should be available in the fall.
Again, thanks a lot! The system looks very nice. splitboard magazine Spark R&D ISPO 2013 No fiddling around with the pin and what I like a lot are the two integrated heel ascent angle things (however they are called ). If they are still 1/3rd the price of the Karakorum, they become an option. Was tending to the Karakorum cause they looked as if they supply more torsional stability with their flat massive iron plate on the binding and the additional hook connecting the bases of both splits. The Voile plucks being plastik... dont they get worn-out easily? Is that a wrong impression?
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:47 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I have yet to break any pucks and I've been splitting since 2001. All that said, I have a friend who really likes to huck his meat and he has broken a few pucks. The Spark Bindings seem to hold up pretty well. Guys have also been busting the Karakorum bindings. There is a pic here of the issue.

My oldest set of pucks still work. though they may be a little loose I haven't really noticed. Everything wears though. I have Karakorum K clips and they are not nearly as tight as they were. Happens with use for everything .

From what I've seen, the new Spark System is going to be $100-$200 USD less than the Karakorum system. The Riser system on the Spark Magneto looks much more supportive for climbing which I like. The self cleaning and simplicity of it is the big plus for me. Yes the Karakorum system looks way more neato but in use, simple is where it is at.

I will say, both systems have their positives and negatives. I am probably sounding more down on Karakorum than I should be. They do make a nice reliable product over all. If it is what you like, I don't think you'll be disappointed in it.

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Old 03-06-2013, 05:16 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I ride a 2013 non split Billy Goat and I absolutely love the board, cant wait to see what you have to say about the split Goat.

For backcountry POW boards would it be a better idea to go for a wide board for better float as compared to a normal width board?
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