Brief Review: 2012 Union Force - Page 10 - Snowboarding Forum

Leo · 12-08-2011, 06:11 PM

Everyone was sweating union? You obviously do not know wtf you're talking about. Union had a huge following on this forum. It has since died down. Flow has always gotten shit and they still do mostly from hardcore Union fans like yourself.

You've already been proven to be ignorant. Keep talking Union up like they have 0 issues while other Union users who have owned more pairs and have been using them longer than you agree with the consensus.

Keep acting like that though. People like you detract from Union. Johan already turned off a lot of potential customers with his condescending and personal attacks.

Go back to Easy Loungin.

rdot84 · 12-08-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo

Everyone was sweating union? You obviously do not know wtf you're talking about. Union had a huge following on this forum. It has since died down. Flow has always gotten shit and they still do mostly from hardcore Union fans like yourself.

You've already been proven to be ignorant. Keep talking Union up like they have 0 issues while other Union users who have owned more pairs and have been using them longer than you agree with the consensus.

Keep acting like that though. People like you detract from Union. Johan already turned off a lot of potential customers with his condescending and personal attacks.

Go back to Easy Loungin.

I've really been biting my tongue with this guy. You can be informative but I swear you make it seem like your opinion is a godsend to this forum. It was mentioned that the trend on this site is no longer following union but leaning more towards flow and flux bindings.

That being said. Your opinion is your opinion and different athletic abilities, boot sizes, stance and a whole slew of other factors will determine how you like a piece of equipment. Union makes a great binding that has characteristics that other bindings cant even compare too. And yes the ratchets are a little stiff. That doesnt take anything away from how the binding itself performs.

Leo · 12-08-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rdot84

I've really been biting my tongue with this guy. You can be informative but I swear you make it seem like your opinion is a godsend to this forum. It was mentioned that the trend on this site is no longer following union but leaning more towards flow and flux bindings.

That being said. Your opinion is your opinion and different athletic abilities, boot sizes, stance and a whole slew of other factors will determine how you like a piece of equipment. Union makes a great binding that has characteristics that other bindings cant even compare too. And yes the ratchets are a little stiff. That doesnt take anything away from how the binding itself performs.

Bite your tongue more. Otherwise, back up that bullshit claim you just made. Kindly point out the posts where I even insinuated that my opinion is godsend.

I manned up to my mistake of being overtly antagonistic in this initial review. I never once even hinted that I'm some pro with a shit ton of experience. The guy you are defending right now brought up his bindign experience, not me. I review gear and give opinions/advice when it's wanted.

I don't go into other people's review to trash them. I don't go into other union binding threads and trash union bindings. At most, I trash the uber fan mentality.

Now I am going to talk myself up. I didn't start this reviewing hobby until some people suggested it. I used to strictly give gear advice in the equipment sections. People saw that and asked why I don't just start reviewing.

I'm outspoken so won't argue there. I engage in debates all throughout these forums so I won't argue that either. But if you're going to say shit like I act like I'm a godsend, Fuck You. I don't use up my spare time to review for douche bags like you. I do it so people have one more opinion on the gear they are interested in. If you don't like what I do, then don't fucking read it.

You and NWO can go douche out together.

I've said this over and over and I never ever lie about my skill level. I'm a stone cold advanced intermediate rider and a flaming noob in the park. I just happen to have access to a ton of demos. Take my opinion at face value. It's just one of many.

It's easy to sit there and judge people isn't it? Hope you bit your god damn tongue off.

By the way, I can't be a godsend... I'm a fucking atheist.

rdot84 · 12-08-2011, 06:56 PM

Get your panties out of a bunch. Reading this thread you have been critical of anyone who says anything contrary to you and your opinion. Ill say it again. Everyone knows union bindings have issues with the ratchets but never have you heard of those ratchets slipping or breaking. Aside from that you said in your review that the binding was unresponsive and had no dampening. And then move on to promote the flux binding.

Im just saying, your opinion is your opinion. Im no fan boy but i have to disagree with you thats all. Every other review i've read has said union bindings are some of the most responsive bindings on the market. The dampening is great again in my opinion. Maybe you should try them on something other than a skate banana.

On a side note the Forces do feel very different in ankle support. This is due to the smaller ankle strap. They give you a lot of freedom to move. Some like this feeling some dont.

All said and done i think people need t chill out. Its easy to talk tough behind a desk on a keyboard. Just remember kiddies, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Try and play nice.

Leo · 12-08-2011, 07:08 PM

You must be mistaking me with someone else. The only person I criticized here is NWO. Furthermore, all I ever said was that the toe cap design is not up to par with expectations from a binding specific company. Neither are the ratchets. I also mirrored what you just said about dampening (lack of canting included).

Every other part of the binding I defended. DuPont Zytel plastic is effin bomb proof and Union uses that. Even in my old comments, I said Union's ankle strap and ratchets are great. Which makes me criticize their toe cap and ratchet more.

I suggest you re-read my posts or try taking those Union goggles off first. Who else did I criticize here? Only NWO because he was being a complete condescending asshole.

And don't give me that "Internet tough guy" routine. You're the one that came at me guns blazing making ignorant assumptions about me personally. And trust me, I would have this same discourse with you in person.

As for union, I told the reps that day about the toe straps and ratchets. By the way, I rode the contact pros as well. Same feeling about the toe strap and ratchet. Cool base on those though.

Can we let this ridiculous thread die again? This shit was buried until someone fed it zombie juice.

rdot84 · 12-08-2011, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo

You must be mistaking me with someone else. The only person I criticized here is NWO. Furthermore, all I ever said was that the toe cap design is not up to par with expectations from a binding specific company. Neither are the ratchets. I also mirrored what you just said about dampening (lack of canting included).

Every other part of the binding I defended. DuPont Zytel plastic is effin bomb proof and Union uses that. Even in my old comments, I said Union's ankle strap and ratchets are great. Which makes me criticize their toe cap and ratchet more.

I suggest you re-read my posts or try taking those Union goggles off first. Who else did I criticize here? Only NWO because he was being a complete condescending asshole.

And don't give me that "Internet tough guy" routine. You're the one that came at me guns blazing making ignorant assumptions about me personally. And trust me, I would have this same discourse with you in person.

As for union, I told the reps that day about the toe straps and ratchets. By the way, I rode the contact pros as well. Same feeling about the toe strap and ratchet. Cool base on those though.

Can we let this ridiculous thread die again? This shit was buried until someone fed it zombie juice.

Haha. (zombie juice). As usual things can be misinterpreted. I actually find your reviews to be informative and had mentioned that in an earlier post. Im not trying to attack you personally and never meant to offend. I was just responding to how you were the one calling people fanboys and telling them to go back to other sites and what not.

Anyway, thats the problem with forums. People hear what they want to read. (does that make sense Haha) Cant we all just get along.

And just so its clear. Union ratchets suck....there i said it

Back to your regularly scheduled program.......

Leo · 12-08-2011, 09:06 PM

Alright, so let's say this is squashed.

For the record, I was only calling NWO a fanboy and telling him to go back to EL.

I don't use the term fanboy loosely. A fanboy is someone who ignores a pretty damn common criticism because they love the brand that much. A fanboy is someone who goes into negative reviews and bashes the person as being inexperienced. A fanboy is someone who goes into other binding threads proclaiming that their favorite brand is superior in every way.

You are a fan. NWO is a fanboy.

I was perfectly fine with this thread never being revived again. I've admitted numerous times that I was just bitter towards all the Union fans that trashed Flow threads. And this bitterness was made worse because in my eyes, Unions didn't live up to the hype. I will still try unions in a heartbeat especially if they perfect the toe strap. Really don't have anything against the company.

Beschatten · 12-12-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rdot84

I dont know what year union bindings you were riding but the newer models are super light. And there is absolutely no dead zone. Portions of the baseplate are actually hollowed out to allow more feel under your feet. Where are you getting your info from? Im no fanboy but from my experience they are the best feeling/responsive binding. Ill deal with a ratchet issue that goes away with use. Rather have a sticky ratchet then one that loosens all the time like my cartels did.

On a side note: What boots are people using with these bindings. Union doesnt have the best adjustability so boot fit could be a huge issue. Im using 2010 Burton Hail's with footprint reduction size 9

FOR CLARIFICATION:

Im on an older model. 2009/2010. My info isn't wrong, but it makes me fucking happy as balls to see them fixing alot of issues that I had on my model.

And just an update: My right ratchet is broken and my baseplate (WTF?) cracked. Of course I ride like a god damn boss so they had it coming to them anyways.

If you guys are talking about the 2012 model, disregard my bitching.

Leo · 12-12-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by New_World_Order

I dont play internet fad games and terms like "fanboy" so gay.....
Im a fan yes...Is that a insult? No.

Union Force are awesome to (ME).........Better?

Terms like fanboy are "gay", yet your entrance to this forum with nothing but insults is___?

Snowboardit · 01-04-2013, 09:52 PM

After riding casual for 7 years, I decided to go for park my 8th. After doing months of research I found myself a Skate Banana 152 which is the best board I've ever ridden on in my life. The guy at the shop suggested the Force's and after doing some insane research on bindings as well, I had my mind set on the Rome 390's. But the price tag and the color that matched my board convinced me to just go with it. (not to mention it was very convenient.) That choice was probably the worst choice I have made in snowboarding. I've had the same thoughts and problems you have had and I'm frustrated out of my mind. The first time I hit the slopes I noticed that the toe strap seemed like it was made out of very cheap material and had no padding whatsoever. Not to mention that when I wanted to unstrap, I had to unstrap my top strap first and then proceed to pull my boot out of the binding. Worst bindings I've ever ridden. Definitely going for the 390's after I take these back. Glad I'm not the only one!

12-08-2011, 06:11 PM	#91 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,200	Everyone was sweating union? You obviously do not know wtf you're talking about. Union had a huge following on this forum. It has since died down. Flow has always gotten shit and they still do mostly from hardcore Union fans like yourself. You've already been proven to be ignorant. Keep talking Union up like they have 0 issues while other Union users who have owned more pairs and have been using them longer than you agree with the consensus. Keep acting like that though. People like you detract from Union. Johan already turned off a lot of potential customers with his condescending and personal attacks. Go back to Easy Loungin. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

12-08-2011, 06:56 PM	#94 (permalink)
rdot84 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 137	Get your panties out of a bunch. Reading this thread you have been critical of anyone who says anything contrary to you and your opinion. Ill say it again. Everyone knows union bindings have issues with the ratchets but never have you heard of those ratchets slipping or breaking. Aside from that you said in your review that the binding was unresponsive and had no dampening. And then move on to promote the flux binding. Im just saying, your opinion is your opinion. Im no fan boy but i have to disagree with you thats all. Every other review i've read has said union bindings are some of the most responsive bindings on the market. The dampening is great again in my opinion. Maybe you should try them on something other than a skate banana. On a side note the Forces do feel very different in ankle support. This is due to the smaller ankle strap. They give you a lot of freedom to move. Some like this feeling some dont. All said and done i think people need t chill out. Its easy to talk tough behind a desk on a keyboard. Just remember kiddies, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Try and play nice. __________________ -Its not how fast you ride...Its how you ride fast

12-08-2011, 07:08 PM	#95 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,200	You must be mistaking me with someone else. The only person I criticized here is NWO. Furthermore, all I ever said was that the toe cap design is not up to par with expectations from a binding specific company. Neither are the ratchets. I also mirrored what you just said about dampening (lack of canting included). Every other part of the binding I defended. DuPont Zytel plastic is effin bomb proof and Union uses that. Even in my old comments, I said Union's ankle strap and ratchets are great. Which makes me criticize their toe cap and ratchet more. I suggest you re-read my posts or try taking those Union goggles off first. Who else did I criticize here? Only NWO because he was being a complete condescending asshole. And don't give me that "Internet tough guy" routine. You're the one that came at me guns blazing making ignorant assumptions about me personally. And trust me, I would have this same discourse with you in person. As for union, I told the reps that day about the toe straps and ratchets. By the way, I rode the contact pros as well. Same feeling about the toe strap and ratchet. Cool base on those though. Can we let this ridiculous thread die again? This shit was buried until someone fed it zombie juice. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

12-08-2011, 09:06 PM	#97 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,200	Alright, so let's say this is squashed. For the record, I was only calling NWO a fanboy and telling him to go back to EL. I don't use the term fanboy loosely. A fanboy is someone who ignores a pretty damn common criticism because they love the brand that much. A fanboy is someone who goes into negative reviews and bashes the person as being inexperienced. A fanboy is someone who goes into other binding threads proclaiming that their favorite brand is superior in every way. You are a fan. NWO is a fanboy. I was perfectly fine with this thread never being revived again. I've admitted numerous times that I was just bitter towards all the Union fans that trashed Flow threads. And this bitterness was made worse because in my eyes, Unions didn't live up to the hype. I will still try unions in a heartbeat especially if they perfect the toe strap. Really don't have anything against the company. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

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01-04-2013, 09:52 PM	#100 (permalink)
Snowboardit Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bath, ME. Posts: 9	After riding casual for 7 years, I decided to go for park my 8th. After doing months of research I found myself a Skate Banana 152 which is the best board I've ever ridden on in my life. The guy at the shop suggested the Force's and after doing some insane research on bindings as well, I had my mind set on the Rome 390's. But the price tag and the color that matched my board convinced me to just go with it. (not to mention it was very convenient.) That choice was probably the worst choice I have made in snowboarding. I've had the same thoughts and problems you have had and I'm frustrated out of my mind. The first time I hit the slopes I noticed that the toe strap seemed like it was made out of very cheap material and had no padding whatsoever. Not to mention that when I wanted to unstrap, I had to unstrap my top strap first and then proceed to pull my boot out of the binding. Worst bindings I've ever ridden. Definitely going for the 390's after I take these back. Glad I'm not the only one!