Brief Review: 2012 Union Force - Page 9 - Snowboarding Forum

Himynameissean · 12-07-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo

A ton of people put the Ride toe straps on their Unions. There's an entire thread full of them on EasyLoungin and they are a huge Burton/Union forum.

If you like everything else about the Unions and this is your only issue and the price of the Ride's is chump change to you... go that route.

I'm a newb, I've only rented stuff in the past. I was playing around with them last night, just opening and closing them and they seem to be sticking less. I'm still worried once they get cold and icey they'll be really sticky again. I'll report back once we get some snow I can ride.

CheeseForSteeze · 12-07-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by New_World_Order

Again Learn to adjust the straps correctly.... If the rachet sticks to much you need moreslack on the strap it self. Also the straps smooth ou the more they straighten and soften up. Has nothing to do with the ratchet itself. I have 390's , Cartels, Spi's and Forces. The Force are by far the most fluid and comfortable binding..... To me.......

Dont be D-bag

That doesn't make sense. Regardless of how you adjust the straps, you don't want any slack in them because the point of straps is to ratchet them down to keep your boots in the baseplate and highback. If you are riding with slack straps, you're doing it wrong.

If you are talking about extra ladder length, no that doesn't matter either because the interface at the ratchet and ladder teeth is what causes the stickiness. They mesh at such an angle that they catch even when releasing. The meshing of this tooth interface has nothing to do with and cannot be affected by the strap set-up.

Again, go watch the video of Johan running the clinic with the straps set up that you recommended. If you actually watch it carefully, you can hear the buckles popping loudly as he tries to release them.

As even more evidence, watch the 2011 clinic @ 2:04 you can clearly see him wrestling with the toe buckle to release on this correctly set-up Asadachi:

You being wrong about this in no way indicates other people are being D-bags.

Beschatten · 12-07-2011, 02:16 PM

Why is everyone bitching about the straps... The biggest issue with these bindings is the baseplate. There like an inch thick, creating the ultimate dead-zone and they weigh a ton. They're sandbags on your ankles.

Response is good.
Shock absorption is good.
Ratchets freeze up sometimes.

BUT MY GOD THESE THINGS ARE HEAVY.

Leo · 12-07-2011, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beschatten

Why is everyone bitching about the straps... The biggest issue with these bindings is the baseplate. There like an inch thick, creating the ultimate dead-zone and they weigh a ton. They're sandbags on your ankles.

Response is good.
Shock absorption is good.
Ratchets freeze up sometimes.

BUT MY GOD THESE THINGS ARE HEAVY.

Want to know why? Because a few of us criticized Union for the toe straps and ratchets and the "OMG UNION IS PERFECT" people like NWO go all ape shit with condescending remarks.

With that said, Unions are super light now. I'm speaking for 2012 models.

WHOisDAN · 12-07-2011, 05:27 PM

My friend put a few runs on 2011/12 Union Forces this past weekend before the toe strap started to rip. Yes, they were properly adjusted.

rdot84 · 12-07-2011, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beschatten

Why is everyone bitching about the straps... The biggest issue with these bindings is the baseplate. There like an inch thick, creating the ultimate dead-zone and they weigh a ton. They're sandbags on your ankles.

Response is good.
Shock absorption is good.
Ratchets freeze up sometimes.

BUT MY GOD THESE THINGS ARE HEAVY.

I dont know what year union bindings you were riding but the newer models are super light. And there is absolutely no dead zone. Portions of the baseplate are actually hollowed out to allow more feel under your feet. Where are you getting your info from? Im no fanboy but from my experience they are the best feeling/responsive binding. Ill deal with a ratchet issue that goes away with use. Rather have a sticky ratchet then one that loosens all the time like my cartels did.

On a side note: What boots are people using with these bindings. Union doesnt have the best adjustability so boot fit could be a huge issue. Im using 2010 Burton Hail's with footprint reduction size 9

Himynameissean · 12-07-2011, 07:40 PM

You guys have me regretting buying these bindings so much lol

rdot84 · 12-07-2011, 07:44 PM

^ You shouldn't. Awesome binding. Excellent response, good dampening and good all around flex. Dont let people discourage you.

CheeseForSteeze · 12-07-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Himynameissean

You guys have me regretting buying these bindings so much lol

If they work for you well, then don't! They aren't *bad* bindings by any means. There's just some ergos and details they could vastly improve upon that don't detract from the overall binding too much, in my opinion.

rdot84 · 12-08-2011, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by New_World_Order

Nah Fuck these..Guys This forum is great but it is a trend fest! Everyone was sweating Union few years ago on here because it was fresh. No most people are trolls and wanna hate on people that like popular stuff..Union makes some the best bindings. Force are one of the best selling bindings for a reason.

The latest fad on here are Flux and Flow... I personally hate flows..

Try the force make your own judgment. Most equipment is personal preference anyway. People have different body types and athletic ability and mix that with riding styles you will get mixed opinions.

Still say the rachet issue is dude to having the straps not properly fit on the boots. And Forces are light. Not sure what that dude was talking about

Preach on brother

12-07-2011, 05:27 PM	#85 (permalink)
WHOisDAN Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 113	My friend put a few runs on 2011/12 Union Forces this past weekend before the toe strap started to rip. Yes, they were properly adjusted. Last edited by WHOisDAN; 12-07-2011 at 05:30 PM.

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rdot84 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 137	^ You shouldn't. Awesome binding. Excellent response, good dampening and good all around flex. Dont let people discourage you. __________________ -Its not how fast you ride...Its how you ride fast

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12-07-2011, 02:16 PM	#83 (permalink)
Beschatten Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 172	Why is everyone bitching about the straps... The biggest issue with these bindings is the baseplate. There like an inch thick, creating the ultimate dead-zone and they weigh a ton. They're sandbags on your ankles. Response is good. Shock absorption is good. Ratchets freeze up sometimes. BUT MY GOD THESE THINGS ARE HEAVY.

12-07-2011, 07:40 PM	#87 (permalink)
Himynameissean Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 20	You guys have me regretting buying these bindings so much lol