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Old 02-10-2011, 10:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I picked up some 390 bosses this season for my Bataleon Evil Twin to get into more park riding.

Stiffness: Medium stiff high back (stiffer than my forces) and soft straps. The straps can be adjusted into 3 different positions to make them stiffer or softer. I've been riding them as soft as possible all season and really like the feel. Overall a park-oriented all mountain binding.

Adjustability: This is probably the strength of these bindings. Virtual everything can be adjusted from the strap stiffness, to high back rotation, to canted foot beds. The canted foot beds are really nice and have allowed me to widen my stance without any discomfort. I found that it is impossible to rotate the high backs more than 12 degrees if you have the straps set to the softest setting.

Complaints: They don't really fit my boots. The toe ratchets don't release very smoothly most of the time. They will not budge oftentimes unless I use two hands to release them. Last time out, it was wet and rainy and the toe ratchets were having trouble grabbing the ladders.

Overall: Not too impressed with these bindings after all the hype I was hearing from them. I think most of the problems arise from them not fitting my boots very well, so beware if you wear boots equivalent to size 10 DCs. I really like the flex and comfort of them overall, especially the heel strap. I found the ratchets to be inferior to those on my Union Forces. For my next bindings, I think that I will either return to Union or try out some Fluxs.
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think it is fair to review a product that doesn't fit you properly. Understandable if it is a design flaw like the toe straps just not grabbing your boot. If the binding as a whole does not fit, then I don't think it warrants a bad review.

I have very low profile Burton Hails 9.5 and very high profile Burton TWC 10. Both fit fine with proper adjustments.

What size did you get by the way? L/XL?

Anyway, Union has way more hype and I finally tried a couple of pairs. Their toe straps are horrible and the ratchets require a good slap to release.

I won't argue that the Bosses have bad ratchets too. I'm not a fan of those ratchets either, but my problem with them is the opposite of yours. They release too easily.
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Old 02-11-2011, 09:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Do you wanna get rid of your boss 390? I have some targas and live them , the only issue is that i have a low profile salamon boot and I have them max'd out in the tight side but too big for medium. I wish they had a M/L. I also have 2011 forces and contact pro and yea the only issue would be crappy toe straps the ankle strap is my favorite tho. I hear they're coming out with improved toe straps for 2012
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I don't think it is fair to review a product that doesn't fit you properly. Understandable if it is a design flaw like the toe straps just not grabbing your boot. If the binding as a whole does not fit, then I don't think it warrants a bad review.

I have very low profile Burton Hails 9.5 and very high profile Burton TWC 10. Both fit fine with proper adjustments.

What size did you get by the way? L/XL?

Anyway, Union has way more hype and I finally tried a couple of pairs. Their toe straps are horrible and the ratchets require a good slap to release.

I won't argue that the Bosses have bad ratchets too. I'm not a fan of those ratchets either, but my problem with them is the opposite of yours. They release too easily.
I got the S/Ms. I said in my review that most of the problems were from the bindings not fitting well, I have done everything to adjust them to make them as large as possible but they still don't fit very well. The only possible option I see is to trade toe straps with somebody who has L/XLs.

Have you ridden older forces (around 08) to compare to the new forces? I have 07/08 forces and i happen to like everything about them, even the toe strap and ratchet that everybody seems to hate.
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I know you mentioned the poor fit, but you still reviewed the bindings nonetheless. I've demoed bad board sizes before and I don't write up reviews for them because of that unless even in the bad size, the board performed exceptionally well.

It's just my opinion though. I don't want to persuade a rider to avoid a particular piece of gear when the ones I own/demo don't even fit correctly.

With your size 10 boots, you should be on the L/XL. That was unfortunately your mistake. If you can, I'd trade up for the larger size and then see how you like the bindings.

I'm not trying to defend the Bosses like a fanboy as I have found a few flaws in my properly fitting bindings. I just don't agree with posting reviews about something that isn't even the right size for you.

I have not ridden the older forces. From what I was told, the only changes from last year are the toe straps. Some bindings I'd much rather own:

Ride Delta

Flux RK30

Rome 390 Boss

K2 Auto Uprise

Flow NXT-ATSE

Burton Restricted Malavitas (if I have ICS board)

2012 Burton Cartels

List goes on and on...
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With your size 10 boots, you should be on the L/XL. That was unfortunately your mistake. If you can, I'd trade up for the larger size and then see how you like the bindings.
It's not my fault at all. I went into my local store and tried on the L/XLs. THEY DID NOT FIT!!! The toe strap would max out before becoming remotely tight. DC makes pretty small boots as these are comparable to size 9 Burtons. I ordered the S/M online as they did not have any in stock near me. My boots do fit in these, they just aren't very comfortable. The bindings fit, just not well for someone with boots near mine's size.


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I have the 2011 Burton Restricted Hails 9.5 on my L/XL Bosses. I had to adjust heelcups to the smallest setting so the boot can fit properly. Ankle and toe strap adjustment tweaks and I'm good to go.

If you tried them on in the shop, then the heelcups were set at default which is for sizes 11/12.5. That is why your boots didn't fit. So yes, unfortunately, it was your fault for choosing the wrong size

Actually, I'd put some blame on the shop as well. If I were the employee and I saw that your size 10 fit small on the L/XL Boss, I would have pointed out that the heelcups were set for a bigger boot size and that you can adjust them for size 10's.
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I have the 2011 Burton Restricted Hails 9.5 on my L/XL Bosses. I had to adjust heelcups to the smallest setting so the boot can fit properly. Ankle and toe strap adjustment tweaks and I'm good to go.

If you tried them on in the shop, then the heelcups were set at default which is for sizes 11/12.5. That is why your boots didn't fit. So yes, unfortunately, it was your fault for choosing the wrong size

Actually, I'd put some blame on the shop as well. If I were the employee and I saw that your size 10 fit small on the L/XL Boss, I would have pointed out that the heelcups were set for a bigger boot size and that you can adjust them for size 10's.
Oh yeah! I forgot you were with me when I tried the bindings on. Thanks for the reminder.
Everything was minimized and they did not fit.

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Wow, no need for the rude sarcasm. I'm just saying the default setting for the L/XL is not set to fit size 10. If the shop guy adjusted the heelcup then cool.

Just sounds like you only maxed out the straps and not the heelcups. I don't see how my size 9.5 which has burton's shrinkage tech can fit but your size 10 doesn't.

Whatever bro. Wasn't bin hostile. Opinionated yes, hostile no. I still stand by my remark about this being an unfair review. The point actually isn't to bother you. It's so that people who would have avoided it give it second thought after reading our little trade off.
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The toe straps should fit a little higher.
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