Malavita EST vs Cartel EST vs Genisis EST - Page 3 - Snowboarding Forum

Nivek · 01-01-2013, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dice

Thank you much Nivek for prompt and well detailed reply!!!

You think the hammock adds any noticeable advantages to the Malavitas? Like more comfort (not cranking it tight), chatter/vibration absorption, etc.

I ride 6-8 hrs straight! So anything that adds comfort (without sacrificing performance) is a big plus!

Cheers...

It smooths things out a bit and riding the ankle strap a little looser for more comfort is moot when compared to the asym React strap cause its just that comfortable anyway. The dampening is the same between the two so do you want stiffer or softer?

dice · 01-02-2013, 12:43 AM

Softer; works better for me!
I got the Cartels restricted black and so far AMAZING!

crash77 · 02-24-2013, 12:54 AM

I apologize. I've read through this thread twice now and I'm still a little confused as to what riding style cartels and malavitas (reflex) are targeting. I know they have different baseplates and highbacks. But which binding would cater better to jibbing, butters, spins, everything park first, and the rest of the mountain second. They seem so damn similar. Come to think about it, there may not be a right answer, just personal preference. But what would be the point of having such similar bindings in the same line-up?

Help me out guys. I'm feeling kinda clueless on this one and Burton's website didn't explain it any clearer.

poutanen · 02-28-2013, 11:21 AM

Damn this thread!!! I'm trying to pick bindings for my play board (Burton Custom camber)... I was sold on the Cartels but tend to like stiffer bindings (the C60s on there now are nice, but probably a little overkill

).

My buddy got the Restricted Cartels, and they look excellent. Big chunky straps, stiff baseplate. The only thing that wigs me out is the softer highback.

Dice, you said they've performed well as an all-mountain binding? I'm going to be using this board for park jumps (medium to large kickers), off-piste jumps, and occasional groomer bombing in between.

The price on the cartels is pretty appealing too compared to the other two.

seriouscat · 02-28-2013, 06:09 PM

What you NEED is Malavita Restricted! It gives you wings!

poutanen · 02-28-2013, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seriouscat

What you NEED is Malavita Restricted! It gives you wings!

Always!

LOL, no seriously! With all the sales on now, and coming up, I'm try hard to decide which binding to slap on that board. Or do I leave the C60s on it?!? I own them already so it's free to keep using them!

dreampow · 02-28-2013, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poutanen

Always!

LOL, no seriously! With all the sales on now, and coming up, I'm try hard to decide which binding to slap on that board. Or do I leave the C60s on it?!? I own them already so it's free to keep using them!

I have the 2013 restricted cartels, super playful yet responsive enough to drop 45 degree spines with dense trees. I weigh 175 and use the mediums. If you are quite a bit heavier than me they might be too flexy.

Other than that they are a very solid all round binding. The reflex really brings out the pop and the straps are super comfy.

poutanen · 02-28-2013, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreampow

I have the 2013 restricted cartels, super playful yet responsive enough to drop 45 degree spines with dense trees. I weigh 175 and use the mediums. If you are quite a bit heavier than me they might be too flexy.

Cool thanks! I think I was right on 175 this morning, and I'll be getting mediums if/when I buy. Still not sure if I should just leave the C60s on there or not?!?

Soul06 · 03-01-2013, 07:14 AM

I'm waiting for next years Genesis bindings. Wanna see how they do

trapper · 03-05-2013, 04:23 PM

Alright, I've been researching the 2013 Malavita Reflex vs 2013 Cartel Reflex for a few days now and am still confused about which is the better option for my new board. This is not because I haven't done my homework on them but moreso because everyone seems to disagree on the stiffness levels of them. There are even discrepancies between the Burton website and retailers and trusted review sites differ in their opinions it seems.

So I'm a big dude riding a 2013 NS Heritage 166x. Awesome fucking board. I don't have much for park aspiration at all so I want something in a binding that's fairly responsive. But I also want comfort. Right now I'm rocking 2009 Missions and they're alright and all but I'm ready for something else.

I'm mostly only interested in Burtons because I know they'll fit my size 15 boot. I bought some Flow NX2-RS's a couple weeks ago but had to send them back due to sizing issues. Since most other companies list their XL's and L/XL's only up to size 14, I'm reluctant to go that route (trying shit on locally really isn't an option for me, and I'm not going to buy new boots anytime soon either so please don't suggest that). Plus I know I like Burton bindings so this is where I'm at.

I'm shying away from the Genesis and Diodes only because I am concerned about the durability of the highbacks on those. Plus, I'm not sure if I really want something as stiff as the Diodes even though in all likelihood they're a good match for my board.

So, long story short I'm leaning toward the Malavita Reflexes right now based on Nivek's saying that they are actually more responsive than the Cartels. But Leo mentioned to me elsewhere that they are softer than the Cartels. So, which is which on this?

Sorry to ask a redundant question but I just haven't found the answer I'm looking for. Any input/suggestions is appreciated. Thanks.

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01-02-2013, 12:43 AM	#22 (permalink)
dice Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Montreal, QC (Canada) Posts: 187	Softer; works better for me! I got the Cartels restricted black and so far AMAZING!

02-24-2013, 12:54 AM	#23 (permalink)
crash77 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 308	I apologize. I've read through this thread twice now and I'm still a little confused as to what riding style cartels and malavitas (reflex) are targeting. I know they have different baseplates and highbacks. But which binding would cater better to jibbing, butters, spins, everything park first, and the rest of the mountain second. They seem so damn similar. Come to think about it, there may not be a right answer, just personal preference. But what would be the point of having such similar bindings in the same line-up? Help me out guys. I'm feeling kinda clueless on this one and Burton's website didn't explain it any clearer.

02-28-2013, 11:21 AM	#24 (permalink)
poutanen Resident Creep-o-saurus Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 3,558	Damn this thread!!! I'm trying to pick bindings for my play board (Burton Custom camber)... I was sold on the Cartels but tend to like stiffer bindings (the C60s on there now are nice, but probably a little overkill ). My buddy got the Restricted Cartels, and they look excellent. Big chunky straps, stiff baseplate. The only thing that wigs me out is the softer highback. Dice, you said they've performed well as an all-mountain binding? I'm going to be using this board for park jumps (medium to large kickers), off-piste jumps, and occasional groomer bombing in between. The price on the cartels is pretty appealing too compared to the other two.

03-01-2013, 07:14 AM	#29 (permalink)
Soul06 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: New York Posts: 231	I'm waiting for next years Genesis bindings. Wanna see how they do

03-05-2013, 04:23 PM	#30 (permalink)
trapper Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Lansing Region Posts: 504	Alright, I've been researching the 2013 Malavita Reflex vs 2013 Cartel Reflex for a few days now and am still confused about which is the better option for my new board. This is not because I haven't done my homework on them but moreso because everyone seems to disagree on the stiffness levels of them. There are even discrepancies between the Burton website and retailers and trusted review sites differ in their opinions it seems. So I'm a big dude riding a 2013 NS Heritage 166x. Awesome fucking board. I don't have much for park aspiration at all so I want something in a binding that's fairly responsive. But I also want comfort. Right now I'm rocking 2009 Missions and they're alright and all but I'm ready for something else. I'm mostly only interested in Burtons because I know they'll fit my size 15 boot. I bought some Flow NX2-RS's a couple weeks ago but had to send them back due to sizing issues. Since most other companies list their XL's and L/XL's only up to size 14, I'm reluctant to go that route (trying shit on locally really isn't an option for me, and I'm not going to buy new boots anytime soon either so please don't suggest that). Plus I know I like Burton bindings so this is where I'm at. I'm shying away from the Genesis and Diodes only because I am concerned about the durability of the highbacks on those. Plus, I'm not sure if I really want something as stiff as the Diodes even though in all likelihood they're a good match for my board. So, long story short I'm leaning toward the Malavita Reflexes right now based on Nivek's saying that they are actually more responsive than the Cartels. But Leo mentioned to me elsewhere that they are softer than the Cartels. So, which is which on this? Sorry to ask a redundant question but I just haven't found the answer I'm looking for. Any input/suggestions is appreciated. Thanks.