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post #41 of 110 (permalink) Old 03-06-2013, 11:01 AM
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Diode is geared towards freeriding purpose, I was not impressed with the binding. Lean adjustment isnt a simple twist and turn like all other burton bindings, there is no cushioning on the highbacks. Just doesnt seem like it would be a comfortable ride for a period of time.
For forward lean adjustment, this is something I tend to need to do only once on my bindings.

As for comfort, I find them more comfortable than either pair of C60s I've got. I ride long days of technical freeriding, jumps, carving, etc. and the binders don't hurt me at all!
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Malavita EST vs Cartel EST vs Genisis EST

The diodes are super comfortable despite appearances, especially if you have big calves.

The secret to adjusting the forward lean is to make it parallel by adjusting the outside screws first, make it loose enough to click and not so loose it's about to fall off. Then remember that position and adjust both sides equally one click at a time for forward lean. Make sure you periodically tighten those screws.

The annoying things about diodes are ice build up, foam tend to come off, and the lean adjuster marks will rub off leaving only carbon fiber.

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For the big guy on the 66 of these options definitely the Malavita. But realistically I'd be looking elsewhere outside Burton. If you're looking for stiffer bindings that are going to get out to 15's you dont want Burton anyway. They start to get tough at about 13 and the reflex disc provides very little binding centering. You are much better off in something like Targas or Capos.

To the new Custom X, Malavitas or Diodes. Being full camber you'll be driving into your contact points a lot which means you need a torsionally stiffer binding. The Cartel just wont let you push through turns the way the X wants you to.

The Malavita gets marketed as a freestyle binding casue 2 years ago compared to the Cartel that's what it was. It hasnt changed, but the Cartel has. Honestly Burton is missing a binding in there line. You go from a decent all mountain freestyle binding, the Malavita, to an ultra stiff high price freeride binding in the Diode. The Genesis only replaced the Prophecy/C02 in price and they need something to replace it in performance as well. There's a gap. A gap in which they had a great hold on the market in the past.

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For the big guy on the 66 of these options definitely the Malavita. But realistically I'd be looking elsewhere outside Burton. If you're looking for stiffer bindings that are going to get out to 15's you dont want Burton anyway. They start to get tough at about 13 and the reflex disc provides very little binding centering. You are much better off in something like Targas or Capos.
Funny that you just posted this; I ordered some Capos literally 10 minutes ago after chatting with Leo about this on Saturday and trading PM's with him today. I like Burton, but since the two of you know your shit and have basically suggested the same model(s), I'm going to go with the Rides even despite the bad stuff I've heard about their customer service. Realistically, they do seem to be the best option for me here.

I thought of reaching for the El Hefe's, but figured they'd be overkill for my board and skill level at this point, even despite my size. I'm assuming that I'm going to notice a big enough difference already between the Capos and my old Missions (those guys are getting slapped on my old board to use as a junker).

Thanks for taking the time to reply, it's much appreciated.
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Thanks. I have a few pairs of Malavitas on watch on Ebay. Going to cop a pair
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Interesting comparison and review, especially if you rode them back to back...

I wasn't going to update my old bindings but saw a good deal and so I just bought myself 2013 Malavitas (Reflex non-EST) today ( it's $156 at Dogfunk! malavita from Dogfunk.com ) I returned a pair of 2013 Cartel Limited EST (i.e. Malavita base) and I recently bought 2013 Genesis EST...

Would be good to go out and test them out but alas, winter is almost over... I'll chime in when I get some runs in on these bindings...

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What bindings for the Fish

Hey guys, I have a Burton Fish link and I am wondering what bindings should I get for it ?

I like a playful ride and I am not into super stiff setups.
Let me know. Thanks
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Malavita EST vs Cartel EST vs Genisis EST

Got the 2013 genesis for $155 plus tax at evo. Been riding the prophecys all yr so ill try to write up the differences. Going twice this weekend.

SKUItemQtyAmount
EB-56850-1005Burton Genesis Snowboard Bindings 2013 L, Darkness1209.96
cc_Price MatchPrice Match -53.99
Subtotal155.97
Shipping Cost (Will Call - Fremont)0.00
Tax (WA_SEATTLE 9.5%)14.82
Total$170.79

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Hey guys, I have a Burton Fish link and I am wondering what bindings should I get for it ?

I like a playful ride and I am not into super stiff setups.
Let me know. Thanks
I would say Genesis based on your preferences.
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Hi Trapper,

I have to second Nivek's opinion. Based upon my understanding the Malavita Reflex is stiffer than the Cartel Reflex. What confuses the question is when comparing the same model in EST; then it becomes Cartel EST is stiffer than Malavita EST. Nevermind comparing the restricted and the limited vs. the base models.

Hope this helps - Nito
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