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post #61 of 110 (permalink) Old 11-08-2013, 01:12 PM
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How does the mission reflex compare to the cartel reflex in terms of flex?
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softer hb and base, less comfortable/supportive straps and i think lower quality ratchets too
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Anyone know where the Union Factorys fit in the mix? I like the flex of the genesis but want the canting of the 'Vitas. I'm hoping the Factory fits right inbetween.
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softer hb and base, less comfortable/supportive straps and i think lower quality ratchets too
Mostly wrong. Mission has the same baseplate and a stiffer highback than the current Cartel (highback is same as on the 2011-12 Cartel).
True on the ratchets (not dual component), but doesn't really matter.

Biggest differences are actually the 'comfort features' - Cartel has a nicer ankle strap, autocant footbed, and cushioning gel in heel area.
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hktrdr thanks for the info

So would the missions be a good all mountain binding
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hktrdr thanks for the info

So would the missions be a good all mountain binding
Mission is a perfectly good no-nonsense all-mountain binding. Performance-wise totally comparable to the Cartel/Vita/Genesis, but without some of the comfort features.
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Wink cartels are my "preference"

it is fair to say that these will all depend on your riding style and preference of feel. in all fairness the price difference shouldn't be there, they are all equally high quality bindings with separate perks. alot of pros ride cartel alot of pros ride malavitas it is all style and preference
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Mission is a perfectly good no-nonsense all-mountain binding. Performance-wise totally comparable to the Cartel/Vita/Genesis, but without some of the comfort features.
cartels are much higher end bindings and should be preferred over the missions at any time, but if you only have enough for the missions you may want to look into a different brand with equal prices. but still mission bindings are very high end for the price. but i will always prefer cartels over any other binding alot of pros ride them and they are amazing for everything they can do especially the 2014 models they are just insane
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... but i will always prefer cartels over any other binding alot of pros ride them...
Not sure that should be anyones primary reason for choosing your gear but to each his own.

I have the 13 Cartels and went out and bought the 13 Missions specifically for the stiffer hiback. As previously stated the higher end tech gets passed down the line as they are upgraded from year to year. Basically built the 12 Cartels using 13 parts.
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Mostly wrong. Mission has the same baseplate and a stiffer highback than the current Cartel (highback is same as on the 2011-12 Cartel).
True on the ratchets (not dual component), but doesn't really matter.

Biggest differences are actually the 'comfort features' - Cartel has a nicer ankle strap, autocant footbed, and cushioning gel in heel area.
Baseplate is actually slightly different. Same material and general shape but heel area is different (minor) as the Cartels have more cushioning along the bottom of the baseplate resulting is less contact between the binding and board. Everything else you said is spot imo.
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