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Burton cartel ?

Sorry if this has been talked about already...I did some searching on the forum but only seen info on the 2013 model..So I recently bought a set of 2014 cartel reflex for my lib attack banana...Last year I rode malavitas est on a burton nug...I feel as if my old malavitas were a lot stiffer and more responsive than my new cartels which I thought were more of an all mountain binding which I thought would be the stiffer binding than the malavitas... anybody else have experience with this or is it just me.
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This sorta confirms my suspicions. I'm in the market for new bindings as well, and after visiting a few Any Mountains and REI, more than once, the sales reps say they are stiffer than the cartels, even though they are rated as softer. I sort of believe them too because they feel stiffer in-hand and the base plate looks burlier. I know that's not a good test but that's all I have to go on.
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Yeah it's very misleading on Burton's end...thanks for the response.
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there are alot of variances you are introducing into your theory/equation/problem. Both bindings are truly middle of the road flex, but they flex in different ways, change positions in terms of stiffness from year to year, and the EST versions are considerably different without a disc and the addition of the HINGE.

TLDR: is it you? yes.

are the bindings different, yea.

Burton didn't "mislead" you, thats just crybaby shit, your mind is stronger!

The bindings IMO are more disparate by price and feature, than function.

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Sorry if this has been talked about already...I did some searching on the forum but only seen info on the 2013 model..So I recently bought a set of 2014 cartel reflex for my lib attack banana...Last year I rode malavitas est on a burton nug...I feel as if my old malavitas were a lot stiffer and more responsive than my new cartels which I thought were more of an all mountain binding which I thought would be the stiffer binding than the malavitas... anybody else have experience with this or is it just me.
Have you made a real direct comparison?

Put the cartels onto your nug.
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there are alot of variances you are introducing into your theory/equation/problem. Both bindings are truly middle of the road flex, but they flex in different ways, change positions in terms of stiffness from year to year, and the EST versions are considerably different without a disc and the addition of the HINGE.

TLDR: is it you? yes.

are the bindings different, yea.

Burton didn't "mislead" you, thats just crybaby shit, your mind is stronger!

The bindings IMO are more disparate by price and feature, than function.
Thanks for the response ... I'm not upset with my choice at all just wondering if any body else had experience with this...I'm assuming a lot of the difference I'm feeling is the est system compared to the reflex disc.
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Have you made a real direct comparison?

Put the cartels onto your nug.
Yeah I tested that out also...the big difference is the highback of the malavita is a lot stiffer ...thanks for the feedback tho.
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I rode Malavitas, Cartels, and the Genesis all back to back on the same board. the Malavita is stiffest and the Genesis rides like Cartels with suspension.

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Have you made a real direct comparison?

Put the cartels onto your nug.
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I rode Malavitas, Cartels, and the Genesis all back to back on the same board. the Malavita is stiffest and the Genesis rides like Cartels with suspension.
Ok cool so I'm not the only person who felt this way about the two
Thanks for the feedback.
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Nivek, can you expand on "Genesis rides like Cartels with suspension". Just trying to better understand what you mean. Like the difference between a hard-tail vs a full suspension mountain bike? Without change directly under the foot, I can't see how rubber ankle strap and rubber high back hammock can make much difference other than comfort... But I'd love to be educated if you oblige.

Edit: oh I see. They're calling it suspension because it has tiny leaf spring between the hammock and highback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o4KMPta9fc&hd=1

Sounds sorta like marketing BS. How does that help any if you're toe side? Maybe I'm just not envisioning it right...

In order to stay on topic, during my research on these Genesis, I came across this thread that also claimed the Malavitas, were stiffer than cartels. "In reality this was the stiffest of the three. The highback just makes that difference." So yah, it sorta IS a bit misleading on Burton's part.

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