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Old 12-21-2013, 07:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Burton Mission stiffer than Cartel (13/14 Reflex)

There have been many reports that the new (12/13) Cartel highbacks feel softer than the previous generation (11/12). The new Missions inherited the old Cartel highbacks with the same baseplate. So aside from the obvious highback, the only other differences are the ankle strap (superstrap vs reactstrap), buckles and footbed (no autocant or b3). Testing by hand the Mission highback feels a lot stiffer than the Cartel. How is it that Burton rates the Missions softer?




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Old 12-22-2013, 01:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Good point you make, but I'm not convinced the differences are "massive" across the mission-cartel-malavita reflex lines. I was in Burton's new store in San Francisco today fondling all 3...there's not a lot between them flexing the highbacks by hand. Yeah, you could say the malas this year are maybe a little stiffer torsionally, especially those with the wingbacks, but cartels are by no means "soft", ditto missions...all 3 are close to each other. Maybe more noticeable riding, baseplates etc. but for me the pick of the 3 was the cartel, especially the restricted model with the asym ankle strap. I already own last year's malavita but going cartel this season on a second board. You can stick them on anything...

What I would say is that the genesis is noticeably softer torsionally in the highback than the 3 above. That was definitely noticeable yet Burton claim the stiffness is a "6" on their scale, same as the mala and mission. Certainly doesn't feel that way and the sales assistant agreed it was softer than the others (again cartel, mala, mission)...
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i don't thing the baseplate from diff yr and models have the same material, same mold maybe.
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i don't thing the baseplate from diff yr and models have the same material, same mold maybe.
Both are made of "Single-Component 30% Short-Glass/Nylon Composite"

Missions stiffer than Cartels. Unless the strap makes a that much difference.
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Threads like this is where HKTLDR would have been super helpful

Personally, i couldnt tell a real performance difference between Cartel and Mission. The Cartel is more plush on the strap padding and foot bed, but i have Mission and they don't leave me hoping for more comfort at all. They are both super light and well-built.

The only way of really knowing is trying them both on the same setup... or just saying fuck it and choosing one.
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Threads like this is where HKTLDR would have been super helpful

Personally, i couldnt tell a real performance difference between Cartel and Mission. The Cartel is more plush on the strap padding and foot bed, but i have Mission and they don't leave me hoping for more comfort at all. They are both super light and well-built.

The only way of really knowing is trying them both on the same setup... or just saying fuck it and choosing one.
Mission on order. I will update once I've tested them out and compared to Cartel.

Anyone compared the 2012 and 2013 (or 2014) Cartel? In another thread I thought someone said it the 2012 was more freeride/stiffer and 2013 freestyle/softer but both rated 7 by Burton. The 2013 highjack feels softer but I wonder if its actually progressively stiffer (vs linear) than the old. Like the new Diode highjack.
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