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Old 01-06-2014, 11:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

I'm pretty new to boarding, only been out 3 times and had a question about binding angles in regards to turning. I searched online and these forums but couldn't find the answer to my particular question.

Basically wondering, is it typically okay to have no angle to either binding? To be at 0/0?

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On my third day out I'm still having tons of trouble turning; its not that I fall during the turn, it's that most of the time I'm struggling to even initiate a turn, namely heel side, then when it get's going it takes everything I have to keep it going. I ride regular, and when I go from one side of the trail to the other via heel side turn, literally by the end of just going sideways across it once, almost my entire left leg is shot. My lead calf is cramped and fatigued and my quad feels like I just went up 20 flights of steps. I was using +15/0.

I messed around with some angles yesterday, and notice the larger I got with the front angle (without adjusting the back), the worse this fatigue effect got. I think I tried +18/0 and +21/0. After the 21/0 I couldn't even go back out; I had to rest my leg for a bit in the lodge. But I also noticed when I happen to go the other direction (goofy leading) where my angle is 0, I do heel side turns MUCH better than going regular with my lead foot, having never even practiced it which is weird.

I'm trying to figure out if stance width or highback angles are affecting this as well, and I'm trying to figure it out asap since after my third day out I'm seeing no improvement in myself and it's quite demoralizing. The ease of the reverse side heel turn is what led me to the main question of is it possible 0/0 would be beneficial setup for me? Is this very abnormal and unheard of to use? Would their be any particular pro's or cons to having no angles like that?

Any help would appreciate. Thanks everyone!
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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+0/-0 is considered not acceptable anymore due to stress on your knees. stand on the ground naturally point your feet so than you can squat up and down naturally without knees caving in to figure out what your stance and angles are.
I would say for duck you can try +12/-12. I ride +15/-15.
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Old 01-06-2014, 02:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah try a ducked stance. You will probably find it's a little more comfortable. If your still having issues try adding some forward lean to your bindings. that may make the motion of a heel side turn a little shorter and more responsive.
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Yeah good suggestions here, try ducked stance +15, -15 is a good place to start and a lot of instructors use this to ride both ways effortlessly and low impact on joints. From your post that you turned heel side goofy effortlessly, you may in fact be goofy footed naturally, if you set your bindings as above give it a go.
You definitely should not be killing your leg doing one turn, sounds like your contorting your body unnaturally, and that maybe because your fighting to ride left foot forward? Check your body alignment when doing a turn you should be over your board and body fairly well aligned with it. ie. shoulders should not be at 90 degrees to the nose of the board, and both legs should be bent all the time, if you are finding you have to stiffen a leg something is wrong.
Only other explanation I can think of, is perhaps you're trying to go too much across the mountain, heel edge traverses can take it out of your legs a bit, if you are going slow and trying to make long side hill turns that could be killing your legs?
Try and follow the fall line more (point straight down hill) with smaller, faster turn transitions. Since you are starting out, use a mellow slope. ie beginners slope as that will keep your speed down so you don't need to cut across the slope to keep it down. Hope this helps. Good luck
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