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Old 03-23-2014, 12:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys...
So boards and boots, i get it. But bindings is like obscure science......

Need help picking a binding for a pow board (2014 Charlie Slasher). I will probably use the same bindings for my Endeavor Live 2014. The Slasher is a midstiff pow deck ~6/10, while the Live is an aggressive RCR board (similar in "spirit" to the Ripsaw, Man's Board, TRice etc), probably around 7.5/10 flex.

Both these boards are to be ridden all mountain when there's decent snow conditions. Obviously, the Slasher for dem deep days and the Live for everything between soft packed to ~25cm or so.

I don't want something as stiff as Diodes or Chargers and nothing as "partsy" or finnicky as a 390 Boss. I'm used to Burton bindings, so i'd like to continue not worrying about breaking parts. I'm debating:

1. UNION Atlas
Pros: stiff baseplate, comfy, not so stiff highback, simple, good price. Quality.
Cons: none stand out.

2. Burton Genesis
Pros: comfy, awesome ratchets, 0 fwd lean option, simple and light. Top Quality.
Cons: Not sure if responsive enough. I'm in-between size M and L... this is a big con..... the Reflex baseplate limits my setup options. They're not cheap.

3. UNION Factory or any of those Collaborations...
Pros: Canted footbed (big plus), stiff baseplate, quality.
Cons: not sure if Team highback makes too stiff/responsive especially considering Unions don't really have totally 0 lean option (or do they?)

4. NOW Select or Drive
Pros: I like the idea of customizable response via the bushings. Simple. Quality.
Cons: No idea how they behave or what compares. Pricey.

Any input is appreciated. I'm not looking for a straight answer, but rather discussion on your preferences and experiences.... so feel free to share your darkest and deepest secrets.

Thanks!

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Old 03-23-2014, 02:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Powder bindings need to be responsive. Stiff powerful responsive bindings go well with a board that's similar. It's about maximizing the energy you put in, and getting quick powerful turns.

I've also rode Burton bindings a fair bit. I switched to the Now's this year and love them dude. Big Neach and I demoed a bunch of the 2015 Now gear down at Baker back in Feb. He absolutely loved the straps on the new Selects, raved about how comfy they were.

The differences with the Now's are unique. The way they feel is unique for sure, but one of the coolest things about them is the dampening feeling. They really help you make big turns, and they really suck up the chop and crud we get here. I'd like to make my own canting for them and see if it improves at all, but after riding Burton's with the autocant that everyone likes all last year, I still find the Nows even easier on the knees and everything than the Burtons anyway so if it's an improvement at all it'll be yet another step up!

The Drives I have now are a great freeride binding. They're definitely not in the realm of TOO STIFF, and they're comfortable yet very responsive. The Drives for 2015 will be stiffer and have a taller highback. They won't be as crazy as the O-Drives though. I tried those and they're intense. I much prefer the Drives for all the riding I do now. I only ride the Malavitas now when I'm working on switch since they're not as touchy.

The Selects however will be getting the 2014 highback from the 2013 Drives that I have & like, along with a ton of other upgrades. I'm planning on picking up a set if funds allow. A fellow pow surfer we ran into in Whis highly reccomended no highbacks in deep powder for that unreal surfing experience. I think I can see where he's coming from... looking forward to trying it.

Either way, the Now stuff is looking awesome for next year. All the kinks seem to be worked out for the third season. The reps were really stoked about it. They also have a similar baseplate to Unions (also a great brand) so they're versatile. I was thinking about a set of Unions before I got talked into trying the Nows and I don't look back at all. Highly reccomended. I'd go with the Selects, or the Drives if you want to get more aggressive in your freeriding.
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+100 I also ride now drive with my pow board. Frickin live it. I use the stiffest bushings. I also just bought this....
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Powder bindings need to be responsive. Stiff powerful responsive bindings go well with a board that's similar. It's about maximizing the energy you put in, and getting quick powerful turns.

I've also rode Burton bindings a fair bit. I switched to the Now's this year and love them dude. Big Neach and I demoed a bunch of the 2015 Now gear down at Baker back in Feb. He absolutely loved the straps on the new Selects, raved about how comfy they were.

The differences with the Now's are unique. The way they feel is unique for sure, but one of the coolest things about them is the dampening feeling. They really help you make big turns, and they really suck up the chop and crud we get here. I'd like to make my own canting for them and see if it improves at all, but after riding Burton's with the autocant that everyone likes all last year, I still find the Nows even easier on the knees and everything than the Burtons anyway so if it's an improvement at all it'll be yet another step up!

The Drives I have now are a great freeride binding. They're definitely not in the realm of TOO STIFF, and they're comfortable yet very responsive. The Drives for 2015 will be stiffer and have a taller highback. They won't be as crazy as the O-Drives though. I tried those and they're intense. I much prefer the Drives for all the riding I do now. I only ride the Malavitas now when I'm working on switch since they're not as touchy.

The Selects however will be getting the 2014 highback from the 2013 Drives that I have & like, along with a ton of other upgrades. I'm planning on picking up a set if funds allow. A fellow pow surfer we ran into in Whis highly reccomended no highbacks in deep powder for that unreal surfing experience. I think I can see where he's coming from... looking forward to trying it.

Either way, the Now stuff is looking awesome for next year. All the kinks seem to be worked out for the third season. The reps were really stoked about it. They also have a similar baseplate to Unions (also a great brand) so they're versatile. I was thinking about a set of Unions before I got talked into trying the Nows and I don't look back at all. Highly reccomended. I'd go with the Selects, or the Drives if you want to get more aggressive in your freeriding.
Hmmm you see that "surfy" feeling is +/- what i mean with having softer highbacks. I actually set the fwd lean to 0 in powder, vs normally i use it around F3. i find i don't need that much edge power in pow, and the stiff baseplate provides toe/heel response.

Also, the Charlie is not even that stiff. The Live is actually stiffer.

That's why i'm not looking for something TOO stiff and why the 0 lean is a "pro". BUT this may be more an "assumption" that comes from me not having tried all these bindings.

I was 'this close' to trying Nead's NOWs... but the day he had em on we rode till the legs gave up hehehehe so no time for fiddling with gear.

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+100 I also ride now drive with my pow board. Frickin live it. I use the stiffest bushings. I also just bought this....
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Thanks! in fact, i thought the Select were stiffer, but they actually are not. And they come with those highcups you got. It looks like what i actually should be looking into are indeed the Drives (from 2013-14). But if they do get the Drive' highback next yr, then probably Select 2015 is the way to go.

But i doubt i'll be getting new next yr stuff.. unless i get some dope price. Fuck full retail prices.

But yea, several people have already mentioned the quality of the NOWs. That's a definite plus. I've seen them in action, just haven't really tried them and they definitely look solid.



Thanks guys. Keep it comin!

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I have a pair of SF45s that would be good if you can fit a medium (up to 9.5).
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Hmmm you see that "surfy" feeling is +/- what i mean with having softer highbacks. I actually set the fwd lean to 0 in powder, vs normally i use it around F3. i find i don't need that much edge power in pow, and the stiff baseplate provides toe/heel response.

Also, the Charlie is not even that stiff. The Live is actually stiffer.

That's why i'm not looking for something TOO stiff and why the 0 lean is a "pro". BUT this may be more an "assumption" that comes from me not having tried all these bindings.

I was 'this close' to trying Nead's NOWs... but the day he had em on we rode till the legs gave up hehehehe so no time for fiddling with gear.



Thanks! in fact, i thought the Select were stiffer, but they actually are not. And they come with those highcups you got. It looks like what i actually should be looking into are indeed the Drives (from 2013-14). But if they do get the Drive' highback next yr, then probably Select 2015 is the way to go.

But i doubt i'll be getting new next yr stuff.. unless i get some dope price. Fuck full retail prices.

But yea, several people have already mentioned the quality of the NOWs. That's a definite plus. I've seen them in action, just haven't really tried them and they definitely look solid.



Thanks guys. Keep it comin!
I wouldn't worry that much about using a stiffer binding on the Slasher. I'm sure it'll be fine either way. I think you'll find that when you start to shred pow harder you might even wish you had more responsive bindings if you go on the softer end of things. I didn't like stiff stuff until I got nicer higher end stuff that was more responsive. There's a reason that most higher end gear is really stiff, and most of the crazy shredders who ride the biggest stuff in the world like stiff gear...

I usually ride my Burtons about the same as you though. However, on my Now's I put none at all. Just how they came straight out of the box. Some people complained about the highback being too short on the 2014 Drives, and I thought it felt a little short at first (compared to what I was used to), but I quickly got used to it and have no problem with it at all now. Also I was wrong when I said it was going to be stiffer next year, I'm pretty sure. It'll be taller, and I believe it'll have the wings on the outside. It'll be an upgrade to an already great binding. Have a look at the 2015 Now catalog so you can see the differences for yourself. It's nice and clear. The Drives are still a rad all mountain binding, but the Selects are very versatile and a cool binding. Either one would be a great choice for all mountain (including pow rippin') but the Drive's definitely won't be too stiff if that's what you're worried about. You might try 'em and end up liking them though and being a convert!

Neach has a hookup with the dude who does the Now distribution just over the border down in Bellingham. He can get you a smokin' deal on a set, so no worries there
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I personally don't like a really stiff binding in powder. I like that surfy feeling and a stiff bindings robs you of that.
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Well I have some T-9's that I believe are what your lookin' for?

Here's a pic of them with brand new $300 RIDE Cappo's. That just happen to be sitting on said Slasher.
You'll notice that RIDE has stopped with the all aluminum base plates, there still mostly aluminum but they've added a little plastic in there now.

They're almost identical to the T-9's, the T-9's heel cup goes up a little higher though, giving you a more locked in feeling & less need for so much highback.

The forward lean adjusters were taken off by whoever previously owned them.
With the wings, you don't need em.

They have just the right amount of flex.

Plus they're way, way cheaper than any of the previously mentioned bindings
Maybe the dude with the Slasher will hook you up?

I hear he's pretty awesome like that.


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I personally don't like a really stiff binding in powder. I like that surfy feeling and a stiff bindings robs you of that.
Yah, what's up with this stiff bindings in powder stuff. Carving hard, needing to dig edges into hardpack in get. In powder even a soft binding will still move the board.

I used to run c60s everywhere , now have diodes instead but got genesis for my soft snow/powder setup, I think it's a better match.
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