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Diode, Genesis or Cartel EST 2015 for hard carving style

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new user here.. as a short introduction, I've been snowboarding since 2000, 15-20 days a year if I can. My style gets as close to alpin racestyle as my kit lets me (long-drawn deep low carves mostly), I do less and less park every year. I've been always riding various camber Custom boards mostly on Cartel bindings in my trusty (about 8 years old) Driver X boot. The time has come to catch a 2015 Custom X board just a week ago on ebay for a fair price, so I'm into an upgrade already.. and as I'm giving away my Cartels with my previous board, I'll also need new bindings.

This gets to my dilemma: visiting the local Burton shop today, they heavily recommended _against_ the Diode EST 2015 (which looked a very pricy but seemingly logical choice) as they said it's not durable at all and won't last me 2 years or so. Looking at in person, I'm also very worried about the little strap(?) on which the highback meets the baseplate.. it looks really really easy to brake and I'd highly prefer careless riding instead of worrying about guarantee situations after every third tour.

The guy in the shop praised highly the Genesis EST 2015. It looked comfy but I'm not sure it'd give enough support for my riding style, for which the Custom X looks like an ideal weapon. Also this bindings looked a bit err.. complex, too many this and that around (eg. I'm not sold about the double highback at the first glance).

Another logical choice would be picking the Cartel EST 2015, as it seems to be the closest in flex to the Diode, according to the Burton website. Also, while my old Customs were certainly too soft for hard carving, I never felt that my old Cartels kept me back in riding.

Anyone with hands on experience on these bindings can help me out with some openions? I'll keep my kit for another 4-6 years at least and I'm willing to make a more expensive purchase to get an ideal setup.. Thanks in advance!
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The Genesis are probably a little to soft for what you're looking for. I'd go for the Cartel.

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How about the durability of the Diode 2015? Do you have any pro/cons experience on this one?
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Me? No I don't. But I do have experience with Burton's costumer service and it is some of the best I've seen. So don't stress durability. I would say if you want stiff super responsive bindings, they sound perfect. I've had the Cartel and am riding the Genesis and they (Burton) are the best made and feeling bindings on the market. Might get grief for that statement but that's how I feel.
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Go Malavita or Cartel.

I have a Custom X and have both the Genesis and Malavitas. For hard carving trust you would grealty prefer the 'Vitas over the Genesis. The Cartel and 'Vitas I believe are almost the same stiffness. Cartels might just be a tad bit more stiff but the 'Vitas are very comfortable. Don't mind at all the the website calls them freestyle bindings. Trust they are WELL suited for hard charging free riding
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For the price difference between the two (almost $140.00 in Canada), the difference in response will be negligible IMO. I've tried both (non EST mind you), and while I consider myself an expert rider - I could tell there was a slight, and I emphasize slight, difference in response - but definitely not to justify the price difference.

As a result, I went for the Cartel this year and paired it with a pretty aggressive free-ride board in the Yes PYL and have found them to be a very, very good combination. I ride on the aggressive side and the Cartels haven't let me down yet in about 35 days riding so far.
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I have all three of those bindings between this season and last. I have 2014 Cartel EST, 2015 Diode EST, and 2015 Genesis EST. As Mystery2many mentioned, I'd stay away from the Genesis for your stated purpose.

Either the Cartels or Diodes would do the trick. I have about 20 days on my Diodes and they've held up fine for me. Also, make sure you adjust them properly when you initially set them up. And don't forget to fold them down before getting on the chairlift. It does sound like some other folks on here have had problems with them breaking though. That said, Burton's warranty service is about as good as it gets.

So far, I prefer the Diodes for carving and riding groomers over the Cartels. They are a bit more responsive and definitely lightweight. They don't have the autocant footbed and the cushioning is a bit less than the Cartels. Slightly less comfortable, but make up for it in being more responsive.
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I think they 2015 diodes have gone away from the carbon highback which was the biggest flaw the diodes had, too brittle. The diode chassis is also stiffer (hello brittle) and as such will break easier than the cartel.
I have personally broken multiple highbacks and chassis on the older model, Burton will warranty the chassis for life but they told me "no more highbacks"
I just bought new cartels
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Go Malavita or Cartel.

I have a Custom X and have both the Genesis and Malavitas. For hard carving trust you would grealty prefer the 'Vitas over the Genesis. The Cartel and 'Vitas I believe are almost the same stiffness. Cartels might just be a tad bit more stiff but the 'Vitas are very comfortable. Don't mind at all the the website calls them freestyle bindings. Trust they are WELL suited for hard charging free riding
Hey... sorry to thread jack but it's along same line.
Have you seen that the 2016 vita is going to have the same straps as the genesis (whatever you call those rubber things)? Do you think they're better than the straps on the cartel/current vita? Will it reduce responsiveness?
Cheers, I've only ridden genesis and found them a bit soft.
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I'm hard on goods, and have switched to Diodes on everything, although I don't have any 2015 models. I will keep buying them until I have an issue, or a stiffer model comes out. Love the 2013/2014 era...
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