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Question Hardboot splitboard setup?

After the very cumbersome experiences traversing steep terrain on hardpack and ice I'm interested in anything which could improve splitboarding ascent in such conditions. Google told me that Phantom binding interface & Dynafit ascent tour binding & Dynafit TLT6 hardboot are a potential combination, but the entries I found are from '14...

Anyone has experience with a hardboot splitboard setup? Cons? Brands? Any insight is appreciated.


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From my experience, every person that has switched to hard boots has only had good things to say. I personally have never found any need for my own endeavors but for those that are climbing in some pretty sketchy stuff, ultimately they will benefit from it. Phantom is the gold standard. A good friend of mine that has spent the last two winters in AK stopped by yesterday in his way back to Mammoth and said he just got the new phantoms and he's way stoked.
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Hard boots definitely have their advantages. I find that I am using my ski crampons a little sooner than the Phantom hard boot guys, but in most situations they are putting on the crampons too. Being able to quick release boot crampons and an easier time kicking steps is huge though.

The owner of Phantom is a friend of mine and he has definitely put a lot of time and thought into the bindings. They are well designed. I am sure I will eventually get a hard boot set up and I am probably going Phantom.

Dynafit TLT 6 is the boot of choice. There are some mods you have to do. Pretty minor, but you are basically chopping a brand new expensive boot. Plus the liners suck. You will want to get new liners are expect cold feet. Everyone gets a half size larger than what fits and puts Intuition liners in the boot.
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Only one thing to add to what Killclimbz said: in the meantime if you don't want to go full hardboot, there is a simple trick I learned from a guy who works for Voile, some people probably already knew this, but you can take a simple Voile strap and run it through the slots on your highback and around you ankle and it gives you pretty good side-hilling support. Obviously not going to be as good as hardboot, but it does help.

I have also used boot crampons with softboots and can definitely see how they would be better with hardboots.

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The Spark option for hard boots is actually pretty nice and it sticks to their keep in simple formula. I know the Phantom guys at times have to spend time cleaning the ice off the interface to get the board back together. I doubt that is a problem with the Spark bindings.

All things equal though, the Phantom system is lighter and is supposed to be a more solid ride.
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Only one thing to add to what Killclimbz said: in the meantime if you don't want to go full hardboot, there is a simple trick I learned from a guy who works for Voile, some people probably already knew this, but you can take a simple Voile strap and run it through the slots on your highback and around you ankle and it gives you pretty good side-hilling support. Obviously not going to be as good as hardboot, but it does help.

I have also used boot crampons with softboots and can definitely see how they would be better with hardboots.
Yeah, I've used that trick; without I wouldn't had been able to climb those icy peaks in Svalbard w/o those goddamn crampons - got them replaces with the newer model with the more solid pin w/o problems btw. Spark has a solid customers service - yes, it does make a difference, but only a bit.

It's a pity that on the splitfest there was noone with a hardboot setup to try. I'd have to order the Phantom stuff directly from the US out of the dark. Pretty expensive trial and error try...
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I actually like using the Spark ski crampons with soft-boots, but don't love using boot crampons with soft-boots.

The only thing I can really say is that everyone I go with who uses hard boots is always preaching at the rest of us soft booters about the errors of our ways and all....

I have met the guy who owns Phantom a few times but don't know him as well as Killclimbz does. I know people like his bindings, though.

Good luck with whatever you decide. I think I am going to stick with soft boots and manage whatever difficulties I have via route selection or stubbornness....
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, actually like using the Spark ski crampons with soft-boots, but don't love using boot crampons with soft-boots.
I don't remrmber your boots... maybe they don't have a stiff sole? I'm very comfy with crampons on my Deluxe XV with their rigid Vibram sole.

Haha, the skinning gets pretty easy with the crampons, but it absolutely kills the "out in nature quiet"... KKKKHHHHRRRR-ZING...
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Neni,

My boots are just some old Burton Driver X's with replacement liners (Remind liners). The sole is starting to fall apart near the heel.
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