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Old 01-17-2010, 07:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi All,

I've been riding Flow bindings for the last 10 years. Last month, I bought a set of Rome Targas and used the same settings from my Flows but had the tech at the store do the install. My boots are Burton Sabbath size 9 and the Targas are M/L. When I strap in, I crank the straps to the max. I used the convertible strap as a toe cap instead of toe strap (over the top of the boot). Originally, I set my highback angle to 5 or 10 degree but after some trial and error it is at the max. My stick is an older all mountain cambered 162 directional.

Problems:
1) high back adjustment locking mechanism constantly comes undone. I'm not sure if it is coming undone while I'm riding only that it is undone after I fall.
2) transitioning to heelside and carving sharper heelside turns is worse than the Flows. I look like a total newb on heelside having to throw my weight. BTW, transitioning to toe side and carving turns is better than the Flows.

Thanks in advance for the help - Nito
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Old 01-18-2010, 06:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess no one has any good suggestions. I'll assume that the tech made a mistake and setup my bindings from scratch.

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Old 01-18-2010, 07:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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When you say "cranking it to the max" do you mean the ratchet is at the end of the grooved strap, near the mounting point? When you're strapped in does it feel secure? You may be able to adjust the mounting point of the ratchet strap to get them tighter. Are the bindings centered on the width of the board? Not sure why else you'd have that much problem heelside. I ride near minimum lean angle. I've generally heard good things about Rome bindings, though I prefer Ride myself.
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I just got a set of Rome Targas on a 4-5 year old all mountain board. I had the tech at the shop mount the bindings. Normal width, centered on the board. However, that's not the end of it. You need to get the boots in the binding and make sure they are centered on the board. If not, then you need to perform a heelcup/highback adjustment. You also need to adjust the ankle and toe straps to ensure they are centered on the boot when they are cranked. In addition, in order to dial in that heelside responsiveness, resposition the highbacks so that they are parallel to the width of the board. I'm willing to bet that is the problem regarding your heelside turns.

The tech at the shop did none of these adjustments. I had to come home with the board and make all of these adjustments with the boots in my hand.
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if you are having trouble with your heelside turns, you probably need to dial in more forward lean on the highbacks. BTW, do you mean you have S/M or L/XL? They don't make a M/L
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When you say "cranking it to the max" do you mean the ratchet is at the end of the grooved strap, near the mounting point? When you're strapped in does it feel secure? You may be able to adjust the mounting point of the ratchet strap to get them tighter. Are the bindings centered on the width of the board? Not sure why else you'd have that much problem heelside. I ride near minimum lean angle. I've generally heard good things about Rome bindings, though I prefer Ride myself.
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I'll have to check how far the ratchet goes but when I say crank it to the max, I can not apply any more pressure. The ankle is secure but the toes are not.
Bindings are centered along the width.
I ride my Flows with minimal lean also.
I'm thinking it is the tech's install and not the binding.

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Old 01-18-2010, 08:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Vanilla,

Thanks for all the info, now I know what to look for. Will work on it wed night and ride it friday.

Thanks again - Nito
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if you are having trouble with your heelside turns, you probably need to dial in more forward lean on the highbacks. BTW, do you mean you have S/M or L/XL? They don't make a M/L
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Forward lean is maxed out but heelside turns are still sloppy. I think Vanilla is right about the heelcup and the reason I'm having problems with heelside turns.

The instruction say M/L, the box says L/XL. Are the bindings to big for my size 9 burton boots?

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Old 01-19-2010, 01:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I just bought a set of 2010 targas and initially, I had problems strapping in my boots. It seemed that the bindings are too big for my 9.5 boots. I brought it back to the store and was shown how to adjust the heelcup bracket (I don't know the proper name for it) so that its "smaller" and thus allowing the straps to clamp down harder to fit better. By default, the heelcup is set at size 10, I had to set it to the smallest, 9.5. Then I moved the ankle strap mounting point back 1 notch so it is smaller. That should help you out, if you want, you can also adjust the mounting point for the front strap too.

In regards to heelside responsiveness, I have no problems. Make sure your boot is centered on your board. and if needed, adjust the heelcup angle. The store said its only for comfort so I left mine.

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Red,

Forward lean is maxed out but heelside turns are still sloppy. I think Vanilla is right about the heelcup and the reason I'm having problems with heelside turns.

The instruction say M/L, the box says L/XL. Are the bindings to big for my size 9 burton boots?

Thanks for your response - Nito
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I just bought a set of 2010 targas and initially, I had problems strapping in my boots. It seemed that the bindings are too big for my 9.5 boots. I brought it back to the store and was shown how to adjust the heelcup bracket (I don't know the proper name for it) so that its "smaller" and thus allowing the straps to clamp down harder to fit better. By default, the heelcup is set at size 10, I had to set it to the smallest, 9.5. Then I moved the ankle strap mounting point back 1 notch so it is smaller. That should help you out, if you want, you can also adjust the mounting point for the front strap too.

In regards to heelside responsiveness, I have no problems. Make sure your boot is centered on your board. and if needed, adjust the heelcup angle. The store said its only for comfort so I left mine.

good luck
Ed,

Wow thanks for the great info. It's greatly appreciated. I've got some work to do.

Thanks again Nito
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