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Old 01-20-2010, 11:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default another pair of forces, force sl, or k2 autos

so i've been riding union forces for the last 2 years and love em but they are definitely on their way out. i'm just wondering how the force sl and k2 autos compare to the forces. i know the sl are stiffer and lighter so how do the autos compare to them as well as the forces in terms of flex and response. i have a 155 ns sl wear sz 11 burton ions and sz11 vans cirros (still trying to break the freakin things in) and i like dickin around the whole mountain ie buttering and doing 1s and 3s.
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If you've found a binding you love, why stray? Get another pair.
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The SLs will be stiffer and a bit lighter.
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I just checked out the autos and I'd go with the SLs. I didn't take them on the slopes b/c I had to decide whether I would return them or not but these are the reasons why I'm passing.

I've ridden Datas, Forces, Force DLX. The only major plus I saw was the super cushy footbed on the Auto. The ratchets on the autos start slipping at a lower tension and were actually a big pain to release. If you like to crank down your straps these are frustrating. As an experiment, I threw on my ratchets from raidens and those let me crank down way tighter, and the release was smoother. But moving on.
The strap is actually very comfortable, but does not feel as responsive as the Union strap. This has alot to do with the ratchets, but also due to the fact that it tends to squeeze together and fold. This is great for freestyle mobility but I don't see it happening when you're charging. The back is pretty nice, no major complaints there, but I felt I liked the union back better. Maybe I'm just used to them. Also, there's no forward lean adjuster on the backs, you need a screwdriver to set the lean. It's a very clean solution, but it's no good if you like to switch your lean depending on the runs you're taking.
Lastly, No adjustable heelcup. You get some offset disks so you can shift it forward or back a preset amount, but I couldn't get it right enough, and I feel like on a 250 dollar binding, you should be able to get your stance exactly where you want it these days.

The auto toestrap works fine once you get it set up (you have to make sure not to use up all of your cable when cranking on the heel strap. I know burton avenger hates on Union and loves K2 (he's all about the formulas though) but I felt better overall on the unions. The one major area union gives it up to k2 is in Base padding, the harshmellow/canted footbed is really badass. I think the Force SL is close but Harshmellow really works as far as I can tell. I rode a board (2009-jibpan 158) with harshmellow and union forces and it was the dampest ride I've ever experienced. Loved it in the chop.

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If you've found a binding you love, why stray? Get another pair.
because there could be another one i like better. but i asked specifically about the autos because of the canted footbed. my right knee got tweaked longboarding and i didnt get it checked out so when i started snowboarding again i started feeling the effects.

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I just checked out the autos and I'd go with the SLs. I didn't take them on the slopes b/c I had to decide whether I would return them or not but these are the reasons why I'm passing.

I've ridden Datas, Forces, Force DLX. The only major plus I saw was the super cushy footbed on the Auto. The ratchets on the autos start slipping at a lower tension and were actually a big pain to release. If you like to crank down your straps these are frustrating. As an experiment, I threw on my ratchets from raidens and those let me crank down way tighter, and the release was smoother. But moving on.
The strap is actually very comfortable, but does not feel as responsive as the Union strap. This has alot to do with the ratchets, but also due to the fact that it tends to squeeze together and fold. This is great for freestyle mobility but I don't see it happening when you're charging. The back is pretty nice, no major complaints there, but I felt I liked the union back better. Maybe I'm just used to them. Also, there's no forward lean adjuster on the backs, you need a screwdriver to set the lean. It's a very clean solution, but it's no good if you like to switch your lean depending on the runs you're taking.
Lastly, No adjustable heelcup. You get some offset disks so you can shift it forward or back a preset amount, but I couldn't get it right enough, and I feel like on a 250 dollar binding, you should be able to get your stance exactly where you want it these days.

The auto toestrap works fine once you get it set up (you have to make sure not to use up all of your cable when cranking on the heel strap. I know burton avenger hates on Union and loves K2 (he's all about the formulas though) but I felt better overall on the unions. The one major area union gives it up to k2 is in Base padding, the harshmellow/canted footbed is really badass. I think the Force SL is close but Harshmellow really works as far as I can tell. I rode a board (2009-jibpan 158) with harshmellow and union forces and it was the dampest ride I've ever experienced. Loved it in the chop.

My 2 cents.
thx for the advice man, i'll probably get the SLs when they go on sale
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Good luck. Let me know if you find any that go on sale, they're hard enough to find in medium as is.
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i'm a L/XL but ya i'll let you know
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