Speed of Strapping in- WHO CARES?? - Snowboarding Forum

dickisnc · 02-13-2010, 04:05 PM

OK honestly I've been hearing about how great Flows are (not really a fan myself) because of how quickly you can strap into the binding (one of the main arguments). I've been riding for over 12 years now and I honestly think this is just a stupid ass argument for several reasons. 1st- if you're in such a freakin rush to get on with your run that the 15 seconds saved is going to vastly improve your riding experience, then honestly, you're forgetting what riding is all about (in my opinion). 2nd- unless ALL of your friends ski, or rock Flow bindings (or Gnu/ K2 cinch)you're STILL going to wait that 15 seconds for everyone else that you're with. I mean seriously dudes- if it's all about being in a rush and not "wasting" time- perhaps riding with a colostomy bag/ catheter should be the next step, as all that time spent on those bathroom breaks really starts to add up....OK I'm exaggerating here but hopefully you get my point. Another argument is that you don't have to sit down to strap in. OK for real- if you've been riding for more than 1 season, I'm pretty sure you can strap in w/o sitting down. And if sitting is too cold for your ass- just get off the mountain for real.
---- Bottom Line--- If you guys are loving your Flows, please give me the other 10 reasons, other than the typical "while all of your friends are wasting time sitting down and strapping in you'll be cruisin' down the mountain" yea you will, alone and without your friends, cause you didn't have the 15 seconds to spare....so stupid. Rant over...hahahaha

Nitrogen · 02-13-2010, 04:14 PM

i don't think flows is just about speed... I thought it was the consistency. I've never worn one myself, but i have interests in trying them out.

linvillegorge · 02-13-2010, 04:15 PM

Out here in CO, I don't consider it that big of a deal because we have nice long runs. Now if I was stuck somewhere with a couple hundred vertical feet of drop where I was spending way more time on the lift and strapping in than actually riding, I might have a different opinion.

Extremo · 02-13-2010, 04:16 PM

I dont share the intensity of your rant but I do agree that there is absolutely no reason to ride a flow binding. Unless you're getting paid by them.

Leo · 02-13-2010, 04:50 PM

Wow, smoke a fat one and fucking chill out bro.

If you took the time to read through more of the reviews and opinions, you would notice there are a bunch of other very good reasons why people use Flows. Reasons that are far better than why people don't ride them. Shit like "My friend tried the Flites and said it sucked so Flow blows!"

First of all, have you considered that not all of us are blessed with big ass mountains in our area? Did you ever stop to think that some of us have to endure snowboarding on a small ass hill not even worthy of a bunny hill on a bigger mountain? Do you realize how much I am riding the lift when I ride? Do you honestly think I need another reason to use Flows other than the speed when it takes me less than a fucking minute to get to the bottom of a run? The speed of entry into Flows adds up immensely and saves me the energy that I would otherwise be using to bend down/sit down and strap in.

Secondly, Flows are proven to have the best pressure distribution for human feet. Simply put, they never, ever make my feet sore like traditional bindings. Flows are very comfortable on the top of my feet and that reason alone is enough for me to use them.

Third, no traditional binding has the consistency of Flows. Once set up, the straps stay where they are. No tightening, loosening, and retightening. Always the exact feel as my previous run. I don't care what all these haters say (most of which have only tried crap Flites or are just too "core" to even try a decent pair of Flows), there isn't anything that my Flows have prevented me from doing. Bomb, press, jump, whatever.

Fourth, their customer service is awesome. One of the best around. To give you an example, I just got back from a test fest. My screws got misplaced. I asked all the vendors if they could give me and extra set. Their answer? No, we don't have extras. Yea, as they stood next to their tackle box full of screws. Flow gave me as many as I wanted.

Fifth, my 2010 NXT-FSEs are fucking light and stiff. The response of these bindings are just sick. I tested so many bindings at the test fest and I still prefer mine over them.

Sixth - Tenth, they aren't re-colored Drake bindings in disguise.

All of you "core" snowboarders need to get over yourselves. Who the fuck cares what others ride and why? Does it affect you in any way? No. Try appreciating brands and their products for what they're worth instead of pissing off users of said brands. Better yet, get some fucking hands on experience with more than just one of the brand's products before you go on your rants.

I hate the VW Beetle and I think it is a piece of crap car. Does that mean I hate VW? Nope. The GTI is a sick ass car. Get my drift?

djsaad1 · 02-13-2010, 05:14 PM

My issue is that i am not flexible enough to strap my back binding while standing up, so finding a place to sit when the top of the lift is packed is a hassle. But then again the only reason I worry about it is because I feel bad that I make all the skiers that I am with wait. Either way not planning on trying flows anytime soon, I am happy with normal strap in bindings and not ready for change yet.

B.Gilly · 02-13-2010, 05:22 PM

From someone who rides with a few people who do use flows. There is a noticeable difference in the speed factor of strapping in.

The designs on them look very sturdy and possibly look like they reduce pressure points in relation to regular straps. Coming from a small vert town definitely see the appeal. As for the ten reasons. Would like to see anyone who rides any binding that can come up with ten reasons that are not personal preference. As long as you maintain your bindings then they should be fine.

Sorry the love/hate binding threads are getting as bad as the Burton love/hate threads.

Is Flow the new Burton?

Leo · 02-13-2010, 05:28 PM

It's not about the Brands. It's about all the D-Bag haters that bitch about shit without valid reasons. But then they all UNIONize in defense of another brand. See what I just did there?

B.Gilly · 02-13-2010, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo

It's not about the Brands. It's about all the D-Bag haters that bitch about shit without valid reasons. But then they all UNIONize in defense of another brand. See what I just did there?

Just wish most responses to the gear questions was more then just:

They rock
or
They suck

dickisnc · 02-13-2010, 05:55 PM

leo- never said I hate flows- even though it wasn't all that impressed when I tried them out. They just seemed like an ok binding, really nothing special that stood out in my mind. what gets to me is the mass amounts of reviews that support flow bindings (and other rear entry systems), stating one of the top reasons as speed of entry. I've never once considered the amount of time it takes to strap into a binding a deciding factor in it's overall performance and think that those who put that as a top reason for using flows are missing out on the big picture. I've ridden small and large mountains, from NY to VT to CO to MT to CA and many of those in between. The main point of my argument (or really just semi-humorous statement) was that if Flows are a great product, and for some they may certainly be, the 1st argument in support of them CERTAINLY shouldn't be speed of entry. Thats a ridiculous reason for picking a binding, and I feel like most would prob. agree....
Also- I don't ride unions, have yet to get a skate banana, and have stayed away from anything with sean white's name on it. it's never been about a brand statement for me- it's all about the product behind the name. in fact the board I've mostly been riding has virtually no logo graphics on it at all (it's an all black N/S prototype) and I LOVE that you can't tell who it's made by.

you're right about the brand haters/ lovers- it's truly an amazing thing (esp on this site) Seems the newest trend this year is N/S (no doubt they make great gear) but it's crazy to see how quickly people jump on a band wagon cause of brand name recognition. ANyway i digress man, fun argument, but you see my point bout the speed deal...preeetty dumb

02-13-2010, 04:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
dickisnc Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 42	Speed of Strapping in- WHO CARES?? OK honestly I've been hearing about how great Flows are (not really a fan myself) because of how quickly you can strap into the binding (one of the main arguments). I've been riding for over 12 years now and I honestly think this is just a stupid ass argument for several reasons. 1st- if you're in such a freakin rush to get on with your run that the 15 seconds saved is going to vastly improve your riding experience, then honestly, you're forgetting what riding is all about (in my opinion). 2nd- unless ALL of your friends ski, or rock Flow bindings (or Gnu/ K2 cinch)you're STILL going to wait that 15 seconds for everyone else that you're with. I mean seriously dudes- if it's all about being in a rush and not "wasting" time- perhaps riding with a colostomy bag/ catheter should be the next step, as all that time spent on those bathroom breaks really starts to add up....OK I'm exaggerating here but hopefully you get my point. Another argument is that you don't have to sit down to strap in. OK for real- if you've been riding for more than 1 season, I'm pretty sure you can strap in w/o sitting down. And if sitting is too cold for your ass- just get off the mountain for real. ---- Bottom Line--- If you guys are loving your Flows, please give me the other 10 reasons, other than the typical "while all of your friends are wasting time sitting down and strapping in you'll be cruisin' down the mountain" yea you will, alone and without your friends, cause you didn't have the 15 seconds to spare....so stupid. Rant over...hahahaha __________________ die trying Lib Tech Banana Magic/ Ride NRC NS Titan/ Burton CFX Burton ION

02-13-2010, 04:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	Wow, smoke a fat one and fucking chill out bro. If you took the time to read through more of the reviews and opinions, you would notice there are a bunch of other very good reasons why people use Flows. Reasons that are far better than why people don't ride them. Shit like "My friend tried the Flites and said it sucked so Flow blows!" First of all, have you considered that not all of us are blessed with big ass mountains in our area? Did you ever stop to think that some of us have to endure snowboarding on a small ass hill not even worthy of a bunny hill on a bigger mountain? Do you realize how much I am riding the lift when I ride? Do you honestly think I need another reason to use Flows other than the speed when it takes me less than a fucking minute to get to the bottom of a run? The speed of entry into Flows adds up immensely and saves me the energy that I would otherwise be using to bend down/sit down and strap in. Secondly, Flows are proven to have the best pressure distribution for human feet. Simply put, they never, ever make my feet sore like traditional bindings. Flows are very comfortable on the top of my feet and that reason alone is enough for me to use them. Third, no traditional binding has the consistency of Flows. Once set up, the straps stay where they are. No tightening, loosening, and retightening. Always the exact feel as my previous run. I don't care what all these haters say (most of which have only tried crap Flites or are just too "core" to even try a decent pair of Flows), there isn't anything that my Flows have prevented me from doing. Bomb, press, jump, whatever. Fourth, their customer service is awesome. One of the best around. To give you an example, I just got back from a test fest. My screws got misplaced. I asked all the vendors if they could give me and extra set. Their answer? No, we don't have extras. Yea, as they stood next to their tackle box full of screws. Flow gave me as many as I wanted. Fifth, my 2010 NXT-FSEs are fucking light and stiff. The response of these bindings are just sick. I tested so many bindings at the test fest and I still prefer mine over them. Sixth - Tenth, they aren't re-colored Drake bindings in disguise. All of you "core" snowboarders need to get over yourselves. Who the fuck cares what others ride and why? Does it affect you in any way? No. Try appreciating brands and their products for what they're worth instead of pissing off users of said brands. Better yet, get some fucking hands on experience with more than just one of the brand's products before you go on your rants. I hate the VW Beetle and I think it is a piece of crap car. Does that mean I hate VW? Nope. The GTI is a sick ass car. Get my drift? __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants Last edited by Leo; 02-13-2010 at 04:53 PM.

02-13-2010, 05:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
B.Gilly -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Berkshires Posts: 769	From someone who rides with a few people who do use flows. There is a noticeable difference in the speed factor of strapping in. The designs on them look very sturdy and possibly look like they reduce pressure points in relation to regular straps. Coming from a small vert town definitely see the appeal. As for the ten reasons. Would like to see anyone who rides any binding that can come up with ten reasons that are not personal preference. As long as you maintain your bindings then they should be fine. Sorry the love/hate binding threads are getting as bad as the Burton love/hate threads. Is Flow the new Burton? __________________ The season is almost upon us!!!! www.facebook.com/Gillyssnowboardshop

02-13-2010, 05:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	It's not about the Brands. It's about all the D-Bag haters that bitch about shit without valid reasons. But then they all UNIONize in defense of another brand. See what I just did there? __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

02-13-2010, 05:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
dickisnc Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 42	leo- never said I hate flows- even though it wasn't all that impressed when I tried them out. They just seemed like an ok binding, really nothing special that stood out in my mind. what gets to me is the mass amounts of reviews that support flow bindings (and other rear entry systems), stating one of the top reasons as speed of entry. I've never once considered the amount of time it takes to strap into a binding a deciding factor in it's overall performance and think that those who put that as a top reason for using flows are missing out on the big picture. I've ridden small and large mountains, from NY to VT to CO to MT to CA and many of those in between. The main point of my argument (or really just semi-humorous statement) was that if Flows are a great product, and for some they may certainly be, the 1st argument in support of them CERTAINLY shouldn't be speed of entry. Thats a ridiculous reason for picking a binding, and I feel like most would prob. agree.... Also- I don't ride unions, have yet to get a skate banana, and have stayed away from anything with sean white's name on it. it's never been about a brand statement for me- it's all about the product behind the name. in fact the board I've mostly been riding has virtually no logo graphics on it at all (it's an all black N/S prototype) and I LOVE that you can't tell who it's made by. you're right about the brand haters/ lovers- it's truly an amazing thing (esp on this site) Seems the newest trend this year is N/S (no doubt they make great gear) but it's crazy to see how quickly people jump on a band wagon cause of brand name recognition. ANyway i digress man, fun argument, but you see my point bout the speed deal...preeetty dumb __________________ die trying Lib Tech Banana Magic/ Ride NRC NS Titan/ Burton CFX Burton ION

02-13-2010, 04:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nitrogen Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 35	i don't think flows is just about speed... I thought it was the consistency. I've never worn one myself, but i have interests in trying them out.

02-13-2010, 04:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
linvillegorge Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Evergreen, CO Posts: 4,499	Out here in CO, I don't consider it that big of a deal because we have nice long runs. Now if I was stuck somewhere with a couple hundred vertical feet of drop where I was spending way more time on the lift and strapping in than actually riding, I might have a different opinion.

02-13-2010, 04:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Extremo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NH Posts: 3,115	I dont share the intensity of your rant but I do agree that there is absolutely no reason to ride a flow binding. Unless you're getting paid by them.

02-13-2010, 05:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
djsaad1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 432	My issue is that i am not flexible enough to strap my back binding while standing up, so finding a place to sit when the top of the lift is packed is a hassle. But then again the only reason I worry about it is because I feel bad that I make all the skiers that I am with wait. Either way not planning on trying flows anytime soon, I am happy with normal strap in bindings and not ready for change yet.

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