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Old 10-14-2010, 10:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So I have a few seasons and a few boards under my belt now, but I have just kept the same Flow bindings for each board through each season.

I have noticed a majority of pros don't use the Flow bindings.

I like the ease of getting in and out, and they are pretty comfortable (I don't have much to compare them to though) to me.

My question is why don't the pros use them (minus the Flow team riders)?

Are they just heavier or just not as comfortable or what?

I just got a pickle and was thinking about new bindings.

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So I have a few seasons and a few boards under my belt now, but I have just kept the same Flow bindings for each board through each season.

I have noticed a majority of pros don't use the Flow bindings.

I like the ease of getting in and out, and they are pretty comfortable (I don't have much to compare them to though) to me.

My question is why don't the pros use them (minus the Flow team riders)?

Are they just heavier or just not as comfortable or what?

I just got a pickle and was thinking about new bindings.

Thanks
Hi Cadencesdad,

Your question has a lot in it. The top pro snowboarders are typically fully sponsored and have board, boot, binding, clothing, accessory, and out of industry sponsors. They are not only given specific gear but they are paid to ride it. That is not to say that they do not love the gear that they ride on (many have design input as well), but it is probably fair to say that there are other motivations at work there.

Now for the average Joe paying customer. Flow is the second largest binding company (the first is still Burton), so when riders are choosing with their own money...

Flow bindings have a unique feel, extra entry options, and Flow puts a lot of cash and effort into developing and improving their product. If you have even a two year old binding by any of the top makers (including Flow), I would suggest demoing a set of Flow 2011's. This is an insanely refined product. Still, no one type of binding will appeal to all riders. Demo if you can.

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I rode flows in years past. they are convenient... what i see alot of is kids love the idea of flows but it tends to be something they grow out of. (not size wise but more performance) as you demand more performance out of your baord and bindings.... flow seemed to lack in the sense that a traditional strap in would. their bindings these days may prove me wrong becuase im not super up to date on them...

its a love hate thing... ride what you like. jsut dont buy clickers.
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I'm sorry zk00t, I still love you bro (no homo), but I don't like your comment one bit.

Here is the thing, two year old Flows are extremely old tech-wise. Flow is one of those companies that drastically improve from year to year. 2010 and 2011 Flows have been drastically improved from all years prior.

The responsiveness comment is also misleading. People always make it seem like Flows offer very little response. This is flat out wrong. In actuality, Flows offer better edge to edge power transfer from binding to board. Where Flows lose in the response category is the other types of movements such as side to side. You know, like when you are pressing out your board, spinning, etc... And that is in fact due to the strap design. Even then, Flow has refined their straps. Their I-Flex strap is awesome and offers the most responsiveness to date (in the Flow line).

By no means does Flow restrict you from doing any tricks or carving out some aggressive lines. It's just that traditional bindings make it slightly easier.

The huge pay-off from Flows isn't the ease of entry. It's the comfort. Hands down, there is no competition in the comfort department of bindings. Flow's caps are designed to distribute pressure evenly on your feet. This means greatly reduced foot fatigue. Now this is very noticeable. Of course, if you ride real mellow and only for a few hours then this isn't really important. But if you're like me and like to ride aggressive for long periods, then there is a huge difference.

I still love traditional bindings (I'm getting 390 bosses this season), but Flow gets a bad rep around more "core" snowboarders. Some of you guys are brutal man. Too often I hear about riders trashing Flows because a pair from 2007 was uncomfortable or heavy. Too often I hear about riders dogging Flows because their friend's 2006 Flow Flites broke. Then there are those powder junkies saying Flows are impossible for snow surfing days not knowing that Flow has since released a mini-ratchet system to completely resolve this issue. Their newer SE line took that solution a step further while also making the set-up process a complete breeze.

I always recommend Flows for people looking for the most comfort out of their bindings. The speed of entry is only good for riders who are uncomfortable bending/sitting down to strap into traditional bindings or people that shred mostly on small hills.
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I'm sorry zk00t, I still love you bro (no homo), but I don't like your comment one bit.

Here is the thing, two year old Flows are extremely old tech-wise. Flow is one of those companies that drastically improve from year to year. 2010 and 2011 Flows have been drastically improved from all years prior.

The responsiveness comment is also misleading. People always make it seem like Flows offer very little response. This is flat out wrong. In actuality, Flows offer better edge to edge power transfer from binding to board. Where Flows lose in the response category is the other types of movements such as side to side. You know, like when you are pressing out your board, spinning, etc... And that is in fact due to the strap design. Even then, Flow has refined their straps. Their I-Flex strap is awesome and offers the most responsiveness to date (in the Flow line).

By no means does Flow restrict you from doing any tricks or carving out some aggressive lines. It's just that traditional bindings make it slightly easier.

The huge pay-off from Flows isn't the ease of entry. It's the comfort. Hands down, there is no competition in the comfort department of bindings. Flow's caps are designed to distribute pressure evenly on your feet. This means greatly reduced foot fatigue. Now this is very noticeable. Of course, if you ride real mellow and only for a few hours then this isn't really important. But if you're like me and like to ride aggressive for long periods, then there is a huge difference.

I still love traditional bindings (I'm getting 390 bosses this season), but Flow gets a bad rep around more "core" snowboarders. Some of you guys are brutal man. Too often I hear about riders trashing Flows because a pair from 2007 was uncomfortable or heavy. Too often I hear about riders dogging Flows because their friend's 2006 Flow Flites broke. Then there are those powder junkies saying Flows are impossible for snow surfing days not knowing that Flow has since released a mini-ratchet system to completely resolve this issue. Their newer SE line took that solution a step further while also making the set-up process a complete breeze.

I always recommend Flows for people looking for the most comfort out of their bindings. The speed of entry is only good for riders who are uncomfortable bending/sitting down to strap into traditional bindings or people that shred mostly on small hills.

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One thing that is awesome about Flow is that they listen to their dealers and to their customers. They heard the comments about their lower priced models and completely reworked the line right down to the Flite 2. Those bindings now have full Airframe ratchet side entry (quickset buckles on the opposite side), rear entry of course, a completely redesigned and reinforced top strap and a simplified single dial forward lean adjustment. Most importantly, they have shed weight and added rigidity to the baseplate and highback.

Sooooo...that should pretty well do away with the concept that lower end Flow can't hang. You can go $30.00 higher than the Flite 2 or Trilogy before you find a competitor's bindings that will compete.
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i edited my comment a bit be less misdirecting...
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So I have a few seasons and a few boards under my belt now, but I have just kept the same Flow bindings for each board through each season.

I have noticed a majority of pros don't use the Flow bindings.

I like the ease of getting in and out, and they are pretty comfortable (I don't have much to compare them to though) to me.

My question is why don't the pros use them (minus the Flow team riders)?

Are they just heavier or just not as comfortable or what?

I just got a pickle and was thinking about new bindings.

Thanks
as far as flows go the only real advantage they have over a traditional binding is the ease of access.
if you want to strap in super fast,be pretty comfortable and not expect much else out of your binding....stick with flows . if you plan on getting into the park and want a binding that will give you the most out of your board i would highly suggest you buy a new pair of bindings. you can get a lighter, more durable, more responsive binding that will do nothing but help your riding.

everyone has their own opinion as far as bindings go, but personally i think flows are pretty bad. you'd be doing yourself a disservice by not checking out different companies.

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as far as flows go the only real advantage they have over a traditional binding is the ease of access.
if you want to strap in super fast,be pretty comfortable and not expect much else out of your binding....stick with flows . if you plan on getting into the park and want a binding that will give you the most out of your board i would highly suggest you buy a new pair of bindings. you can get a lighter, more durable, more responsive binding that will do nothing but help your riding.

everyone has their own opinion as far as bindings go, but personally i think flows are the worst bindings on the market

See, i knew something was missing last winter! If only Scott Lago had been riding non-flow bindings......his medal just might be a different color.
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Doh, I jumped on ya prior to your edit.
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