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snowbrdr 10-18-2010 10:41 AM

K2 cinch v. Gnu v. Flow - sorry to beat a dead horse but..
 
I have been riding Ride SPIs for the last few years - never tried rear entry bindings - like my bindings reasonably tight and responsive for fear of getting a little lazy and catching an edge. I would really like to move to a rear entry binding for the convenience when I board with friends that ski. My take right now from all I've read is that Flows is a love/hate.. I am considering trying the NXT ATs if anything in the Flow line up but I feel like I may not like a fit that doesn't feel snug in the binding. Looking at the K2 CTX, i don't like all the moving parts mostly - and the weight is definitely more than what I'm used to with the SPIs on my Gnu Carbon Credit board. The Gnus look like maybe the best of both worlds, although my two concerns are 1) lack the ability to ratchet down once in if the fit is not tuned in perfectly from the beginning 2) ability to adjust the high back.

I can't find much of anything on the 2011 Gnus and whether there is any improvement or what people think. Is there a reason why there is little or no buzz on these bindings?

BurtonAvenger 10-18-2010 11:13 AM

This will give you the breakdown you're probably looking for The Angry Snowboarder Blog Archive Taking It In The Rear

swilber08 10-18-2010 12:50 PM

get some flows i love mine :D....the gnu's are a rip off of somebody else's design i believe

Wiredsport 10-18-2010 01:16 PM

[QUOTE=snowbrdr;315526]I am considering trying the NXT ATs if anything in the Flow line up but I feel like I may not like a fit that doesn't feel snug in the binding.[QUOTE]

I would suggest clamping into a pair. You can crank the AT's in so that your you have an ultra snug fit. Rear entry may be the draw, but it is the support and the performance factors that have grown Flow to becom the 2nd largest binding company. The ratchets are not a minor factor and in 2011, I would not consider a binding without them. They not only offer traditional ratchet only entry, but they are also critical for easy on slope adjustment.

snowbrdr 10-18-2010 05:18 PM

[QUOTE=Wiredsport;315563][QUOTE=snowbrdr;315526]I am considering trying the NXT ATs if anything in the Flow line up but I feel like I may not like a fit that doesn't feel snug in the binding.
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I would suggest clamping into a pair. You can crank the AT's in so that your you have an ultra snug fit. Rear entry may be the draw, but it is the support and the performance factors that have grown Flow to becom the 2nd largest binding company. The ratchets are not a minor factor and in 2011, I would not consider a binding without them. They not only offer traditional ratchet only entry, but they are also critical for easy on slope adjustment.
Thanks everyone for your input. I think you're right and I need to try the Flows and see how they feel. I found a local store that is going to order a pair of NXT ATs and let me mount them on my board and try them out, in the store anyway.

Cavman 10-18-2010 06:12 PM

Gnus are made by Sp Fastec, you can find all the info on them here and their latest models, Videos are here. I have the new 2011 Brotherhood and dam they are great, the extra ratchet alows for those tweaks when you need them.

Having said that I also use K2 CTX, Not sure why everyone says too many moving parts. I have not had an issue and yes they move when you put them on and they move when you take them off, but after that they are totally secure, more so than the Fastecs, As for weight, sorry I am not doing 360's and so forth but I have never felt the weight and it has never stopped me carving hard and fast amongst the trees.

snowbrdr 10-19-2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cavman (Post 315690)
Gnus are made by Sp Fastec, you can find all the info on them here and their latest models, Videos are here. I have the new 2011 Brotherhood and dam they are great, the extra ratchet alows for those tweaks when you need them.

Having said that I also use K2 CTX, Not sure why everyone says too many moving parts. I have not had an issue and yes they move when you put them on and they move when you take them off, but after that they are totally secure, more so than the Fastecs, As for weight, sorry I am not doing 360's and so forth but I have never felt the weight and it has never stopped me carving hard and fast amongst the trees.

I had a long conversation with a guy at Berg's ski/snowboard shop last night who tries out all the gear. He has tried them all out and I mentioned the weight of the ctx's compared to the gnus. He had a digital scale and the ctxs are .2 oz more than the gnus - pretty much the same. He also likes the ctx feel a bit more than the gnus, if you like feeling tight in the binding. He had me leaning back towards the ctx binding for the cantilevered bed, i have a short instep so consider my stance pretty wide.

swilber08 10-19-2010 09:49 AM

[QUOTE=Wiredsport;315563][QUOTE=snowbrdr;315526]I am considering trying the NXT ATs if anything in the Flow line up but I feel like I may not like a fit that doesn't feel snug in the binding.
Quote:


I would suggest clamping into a pair. You can crank the AT's in so that your you have an ultra snug fit. Rear entry may be the draw, but it is the support and the performance factors that have grown Flow to becom the 2nd largest binding company. The ratchets are not a minor factor and in 2011, I would not consider a binding without them. They not only offer traditional ratchet only entry, but they are also critical for easy on slope adjustment.
:thumbsup:

...I would not be worried about not feeling snug in some flows. especially if you get the NXT's cause they are highly adjustable. It took me a while to get them the way I wanted them, but now I think ill never ride any other kind of bindings again. I love the consistency of the rear entry too...no more guessing on ratchets and having your support feel different on every run

oh yea and based on my experience, during a sesh at the mountain with your buddies you'll end up getting 1 or 2 more runs than they do just because of the speed of the rear entry...I normally dont even have to stop after getting off the lift :)

Cavman 10-19-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by snowbrdr (Post 315900)
I had a long conversation with a guy at Berg's ski/snowboard shop last night who tries out all the gear. He has tried them all out and I mentioned the weight of the ctx's compared to the gnus. He had a digital scale and the ctxs are .2 oz more than the gnus - pretty much the same. He also likes the ctx feel a bit more than the gnus, if you like feeling tight in the binding. He had me leaning back towards the ctx binding for the cantilevered bed, i have a short instep so consider my stance pretty wide.



Don't you just love true facts over internet dribble that is handed down as facts. That will go a long way to explain why I don't feel any difference in the weigth of these bindings.. Because there isn't any. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Enormo 10-19-2010 08:20 PM

interesting opinion
 
The Angry Snowboarder Blog Archive Taking It In The Rear

Saw this in the comments after the article. This guy seemed to have a pretty thorough take (there are some other interesting comments too):

I saw a guy who couldn’t get into his 2 strap binding cause he couldn’t get all the snow out. I think a binding is a 3 step thing, is it comfortable, how it rides & convience, the last part depends on the user. Same deal with boots.

Cinch, I didn’t like how the binding rode(too soft of a hiback), heavier than hell, was comfortable, but convience was lacking since the straps would ratchet down or move before you got in. I still have never seen somebody use a cinch by lowering the hiback.

The fastec binding, what GNU & 16 other companies use has come a long ways as far as look, I only rode a the cheapest version from a couple of years ago. You had to take apart the whole binding just to adjust it, including forward lean, binding was painful, rode like shit & you still have to adjust the cap strap to get in & click the ankle lever down. So, I would just buy a 2 strap since i have to do the same stuff anyways.

Flow, which I have, I like, but I’m use to them. My first time took me a couple of runs to get use to since I tried to crank them down like a 2 strap….which you don’t do & I like that it’s just one step, usually I just kick my foot in just after getting off the lift. My super old ones, I didn’t like the hiback, but now they have hibacks that are way more comfy & either stiffer or torsionally softer. This is the only binding that actually rides different, the others ride like 2 straps. Maybe it’s me, but I feel more in control in rough terrain.

Apo, has been around for 7 years I think, it rode ok, still had to adjust the cap strap everytime I got in, but the rest worked fine. Problem is I don’t know where you can get them in the states & am not a big fan of hinges.

Pretty much all these bindings have ratchets or something that you can just lift up to get in normally or to clear snow out or if your on a steep slope


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