de de dee me and these Damn Burton Cartels - Snowboarding Forum

Boat Shredder · 11-16-2010, 09:54 PM

So I originally ordered some Union Force SL bindings off the internet. Turns out that the bindings were too large so I returned them for a smaller pair. In the process, the clerk over the phone recommended the 2011 Burton cartel bindings. He convinced me to get them instead because they are 50 dollars cheaper, a lot lighter and more responsive. I couldn't help but agree with him and chose to get the Cartel bindings with a 50 dollar refund... YAY was my original thought.

Today, these Cartels came in the mail and the first thing I said was WTF.... These things are 100 percent plastic. Sliding my finger over the heel cup scratched them and I was uber bummed out that these fucking things were plastic. Also, the foam on the base and highback seem like they are made of the shittiest foam out there. The foam feels like its going to rub off after 10 days of riding.

Does anyone have some good news to tell me about the Cartels and why they are plastic? Any experienced users of the Cartels have some good feedback for me? I am tempted to fork out 50 more dollars again and get the Unions but I honestly don't know what to do right now. Help me out por favor

Sincerely,

Boat Shredder

Qball · 11-16-2010, 10:02 PM

I thought Cartels cost more than forces? Are you sure you got the Cartels and not the customs or something?

Boat Shredder · 11-16-2010, 10:13 PM

Burton Cartels are 230

Union Force SL's are 280

I ordered the Force SL, not the regular Force.

Nivek · 11-16-2010, 10:16 PM

All Burtons are all plastic. Same as K2 and Flux. Its not a bad thing. But Honestly I think the SL's are a better binding than the Cartels. I don't know why he said they were lighter, they shouldn't be. The foam is the same, EVA, but the Unions may be a "higher" quality EVA. You also have to take into consideration the stock forward lean of Burton.

I would say as far as performance, if you're going to be jibbing a fair amount the Cartels will be painfully annoying. If you're doing mostly freeriding, both will give you good performance but the Cartels might do a fair bit better.

Puggy · 11-16-2010, 10:18 PM

I unno man reading some reviews on the web a lot of reviews about the baseplate snapping. I just bought Exiles and those are Metal so I don't know what to tell ya big wheel.

Nivek · 11-16-2010, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puggy

I unno man reading some reviews on the web a lot of reviews about the baseplate snapping. I just bought Exiles and those are Metal so I don't know what to tell ya big wheel.

Whats Metal about them?

Reviews of SL's or Cartels snapping?

Boat Shredder · 11-16-2010, 10:31 PM

The Cartels are without a doubt lighter. I am worries the EVA injected foam will rub into my pants. My last burton bindings did that and they destroyed my pants with black smears. I don't want that.

MY BIG QUESTION THOUGH IS:

Who will pay 50 more dollars for the Force SL's? Are the Force's worth the extra money?

Nivek · 11-16-2010, 10:41 PM

In my opinion, Yes. Burton forward lean is torture for me. I hate it.

BurtonAvenger · 11-16-2010, 11:05 PM

Union Bindings = repackaged Drakes. You made the better choice and I highly doubt your "finger" scratched a composite Nylon/Plastic.

Nivek · 11-16-2010, 11:27 PM

I like my repackaged Drakes.

11-16-2010, 09:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Boat Shredder Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Steamboat Springs, CO Posts: 31	de de dee me and these Damn Burton Cartels So I originally ordered some Union Force SL bindings off the internet. Turns out that the bindings were too large so I returned them for a smaller pair. In the process, the clerk over the phone recommended the 2011 Burton cartel bindings. He convinced me to get them instead because they are 50 dollars cheaper, a lot lighter and more responsive. I couldn't help but agree with him and chose to get the Cartel bindings with a 50 dollar refund... YAY was my original thought. Today, these Cartels came in the mail and the first thing I said was WTF.... These things are 100 percent plastic. Sliding my finger over the heel cup scratched them and I was uber bummed out that these fucking things were plastic. Also, the foam on the base and highback seem like they are made of the shittiest foam out there. The foam feels like its going to rub off after 10 days of riding. Does anyone have some good news to tell me about the Cartels and why they are plastic? Any experienced users of the Cartels have some good feedback for me? I am tempted to fork out 50 more dollars again and get the Unions but I honestly don't know what to do right now. Help me out por favor Sincerely, Boat Shredder __________________ I chase powder for a living. As long as I can get that tingly sensation and some white stuff in my face every day, I will be perfectly content with life.

11-16-2010, 10:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
Boat Shredder Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Steamboat Springs, CO Posts: 31	Burton Cartels are 230 Union Force SL's are 280 I ordered the Force SL, not the regular Force. __________________ I chase powder for a living. As long as I can get that tingly sensation and some white stuff in my face every day, I will be perfectly content with life.

11-16-2010, 10:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,367	All Burtons are all plastic. Same as K2 and Flux. Its not a bad thing. But Honestly I think the SL's are a better binding than the Cartels. I don't know why he said they were lighter, they shouldn't be. The foam is the same, EVA, but the Unions may be a "higher" quality EVA. You also have to take into consideration the stock forward lean of Burton. I would say as far as performance, if you're going to be jibbing a fair amount the Cartels will be painfully annoying. If you're doing mostly freeriding, both will give you good performance but the Cartels might do a fair bit better. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

11-16-2010, 10:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Boat Shredder Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Steamboat Springs, CO Posts: 31	The Cartels are without a doubt lighter. I am worries the EVA injected foam will rub into my pants. My last burton bindings did that and they destroyed my pants with black smears. I don't want that. MY BIG QUESTION THOUGH IS: Who will pay 50 more dollars for the Force SL's? Are the Force's worth the extra money? __________________ I chase powder for a living. As long as I can get that tingly sensation and some white stuff in my face every day, I will be perfectly content with life.

11-16-2010, 10:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,367	In my opinion, Yes. Burton forward lean is torture for me. I hate it. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

11-16-2010, 10:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Qball Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mt. Hood, Oregon Posts: 1,272	I thought Cartels cost more than forces? Are you sure you got the Cartels and not the customs or something?

11-16-2010, 10:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Puggy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 204	I unno man reading some reviews on the web a lot of reviews about the baseplate snapping. I just bought Exiles and those are Metal so I don't know what to tell ya big wheel.

11-16-2010, 11:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
BurtonAvenger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mountains Posts: 8,020	Union Bindings = repackaged Drakes. You made the better choice and I highly doubt your "finger" scratched a composite Nylon/Plastic. __________________ Angry Snowboarder Because someone has to call it how they see it!

11-16-2010, 11:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,367	I like my repackaged Drakes. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks.

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