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post #21 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-19-2011, 11:22 PM
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They are more reliable, less moving parts, no fixed toe strap to fight with, you get boot overhang on your toes (important for toeside power)...

There is no point to a speed entry binding. It takes me maybe 1 second longer with a good two strap. So why get something else? Comfort. And Flows are far more comfortable than Cinch's. I hope that binding line dies.

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They are more reliable, less moving parts, no fixed toe strap to fight with, you get boot overhang on your toes (important for toeside power)...

There is no point to a speed entry binding. It takes me maybe 1 second longer with a good two strap. So why get something else? Comfort. And Flows are far more comfortable than Cinch's. I hope that binding line dies.

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Again, this seems just like your opinion.You haven't provided one bit of proof showing that the reliability is any better.I also don't get the whole fighting with the toe strap bit.If set up properly it is no big deal, same thing with Flows having to be set precise as well.I could say Flows are hard to do up and crush the tops of your feet, which if not set properly would be totally true.If there is no point to a speed entry why do they make them?The answer is simple and it isn't comfort.I haven't had a binding that caused any foot pain since maybe 1997.It is for the speed.If you live out east and your run lasts maybe 5 minutes you aren't going to want to spend the time to sit your ass on the ice and strap in (even if it only does take "one second longer" for you to sit down, strap in and get back up)when you can pop your foot in, snap the back in and ride off in one movement.I am not saying Flows aren't better.Some models likely are but the Cinches work perfectly well.
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Not to nit-pick but 1 second longer to strap in I find false.
Maybe 15 seconds or 30 seconds.

I looked at the Cinches at the store and the display model at 2 stores had the cable come free from that little hook thingy. When I asked the sales person about this being an issue it was passed over. Now from reading this post it does seem to happen. Not that it isn't a simple fix but still it happens and not that one post makes it a design failure, just saying...

I don't ride like many of you better riders but why would you need/want to strap in conventionally on a rear entry system??? Again our local hills are small short rides so I love the speed of my Flows.

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Not to nit-pick but 1 second longer to strap in I find false.
Maybe 15 seconds or 30 seconds.

I looked at the Cinches at the store and the display model at 2 stores had the cable come free from that little hook thingy. When I asked the sales person about this being an issue it was passed over. Now from reading this post it does seem to happen. Not that it isn't a simple fix but still it happens and not that one post makes it a design failure, just saying...

I don't ride like many of you better riders but why would you need/want to strap in conventionally on a rear entry system??? Again our local hills are small short rides so I love the speed of my Flows.

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If you have to strap in on a really steep pitch or in deep snow the sometimes you can't use the rear entry feature so every so often you have to work it like a traditional binding.
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Strapping in from a "fist down position" takes about 5 seconds. Actually easier than standing up, where you have to find a flat spot. Angle your board, sustain yourself wuith one hand, pull the lever with the other..Ride.

The model you saw at the store was probably out of the box and the cable was not engaged in the locking mechanism. You do that when you first set up your bindings and it locks there until you want to disengage it again.
The cable never came off in about 30 days of use this season.

The strap feature is great to release the binding of the chairlift, or when you need to step out or in on knee deep powder. And it works great.

My CTX work perfectly. I only had to retighten the screws at the end of the season. No wear or damage after 30 days of use this season.


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Not to nit-pick but 1 second longer to strap in I find false.
Maybe 15 seconds or 30 seconds.

I looked at the Cinches at the store and the display model at 2 stores had the cable come free from that little hook thingy. When I asked the sales person about this being an issue it was passed over. Now from reading this post it does seem to happen. Not that it isn't a simple fix but still it happens and not that one post makes it a design failure, just saying...

I don't ride like many of you better riders but why would you need/want to strap in conventionally on a rear entry system??? Again our local hills are small short rides so I love the speed of my Flows.

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that all makes sense. I haven't seen powder we don't get many dumps here, several inches at max in one snowfall.

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that all makes sense. I haven't seen powder we don't get many dumps here, several inches at max in one snowfall.

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I was very happy to be a few sexond faster than others in those pow days makes or breaks an untraced slope!

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I tried the K2 Cinch a couple of years back, but they were the bottom-of-the-line model. I commented at the time that the design concept was great but the implementation sucked. I really need to try the higher-end stuff. I also want to try some Contrabands. I'm a gear whore. I admit it.

I have Flows on both boards right now. I love Flows, especially when coming off the lift. But they do bite when trying to strap in in deep powder. Actually even when trying to UNstrap in deep pow.


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I got mine at SportChalet during a summer deal, 50% off. $150 for the 09/10 CTX. Love them so far. K2 hardware (screws and washers) kinda sucks, but I took the bindings off every time after riding, to wax the board. Other than that I love those bindings. Being able to use both function is great on the lift to release a bit of the pressure on your boot, and if you need to unstrap after you got stuck in the deep.

The GNU ones were great too...with an additional buckle to loosen up the binding for the lift ride. But I could not find them.

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There is no point to a speed entry binding. It takes me maybe 1 second longer with a good two strap. So why get something else? Comfort.
I'm interested in the speed entry system because here in the UK we get like no snow, haha so I get away for ma be 2 weeks a year, the rest of my boarding is in the local indoor fridge slope! The runs in there are about 30seconds long so I'm constantly in and out of the bindings, which is why I started looking into these fast entry systems!
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