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Old 01-19-2011, 03:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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so the other day I used for the first time my new setup (some pics here http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...g-my-turn.html )
The instructor, as soon as he saw the board said the stance needed to be widened. I thought I had done everything I read here and other site, so it should have been ok. But then I rode the board, and i had no control of my nose, and neither the board.
So after that I widened and it was like night and day! completely different. But now I wonder about it again, if it might need another touch, just a bit wider. How would I know? Is there something to know your stance is still too narrow? maybe some sore leg muscle used in the wrong way? It seems experts can do it jut watching your board...
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your stance should be about shoulder width, maybe a little more or less if you want...just set your stance up a little wider and try it...you're the only one whos gonna know what feels the best
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I read in your other post that you set your stance forward on the board?

So let me get this straight... the board is directional with a 1" setback stance right? And you moved it forward 1" to center your stance?

This is the reason why you had issues with board control. Never set your stance forward on any type of board whether or not it is a true twin, directional twin, or true directional. Due to the board's geometry, you are going to have troubles riding with a stance set forward.

Put your bindings back at the reference points. Then widen your stance evenly from there. Do it by one set of holes wider. Ride and see how it feels. Then widen it again. Ride and see how it feels. Eventually, you're going to get to a point where you're uncomfortable. At that point, you'll know what your max stance width is. Then just dial it back down to where you were most comfortable and you're all set.
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I read in your other post that you set your stance forward on the board?

So let me get this straight... the board is directional with a 1" setback stance right? And you moved it forward 1" to center your stance?
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but to be honest, I dont think I did this! did I write I set my stance forward???
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I measured it right now, and I have it set at 60.5cm (23.8 inches) which is larger than my shoulder width, while distance from my kneecap to the ground is 55cm. While any guide I read on the web says that for my height (5'11'') it should be 20-21 inches.
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I read in your other post that you set your stance forward on the board?

So let me get this straight... the board is directional with a 1" setback stance right? And you moved it forward 1" to center your stance?

This is the reason why you had issues with board control. Never set your stance forward on any type of board whether or not it is a true twin, directional twin, or true directional. Due to the board's geometry, you are going to have troubles riding with a stance set forward.
Leo, what about setting it back? Do you think it is a bad idea to have the front at the reference and the rear set back 1"? This is what I have my Ride DH set at, I haven't tried it out yet though.

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This is the reason why you had issues with board control. Never set your stance forward on any type of board whether or not it is a true twin, directional twin, or true directional. Due to the board's geometry, you are going to have troubles riding with a stance set forward
Wouldn't that make it easier to ride switch? Or would switch be easier if you moved it from the ref. points too? I've got a burton operator wide, (refference = 21. in. stance width w/ .5 in. setback), it's a twin-tip directional, and I moved the stance forward .5 in. last year, and rode with it .25" forward today... Seemed to have control to me, albeit, im not moving it around that much.

Just wondering what physics/geometry really does have to say on the issue.
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other question: Union binding give you the chance to fine-tune your stance width. Than means that once you put both bindings on even holes (for example, reference point), you can then move each binding independently
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Should also these little movements be symmetrical (ie, moving bindings on opposite direction)? Or, once the 2 bindings are on exact holes, I can play with them and move them both on the same direction for example?

thanks a lot in advance
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I find shoulder width works the best for me. I stand on the board bend my knees and have my arms hang straight down. My hands would touch near the center for my knee caps. I get the best range of motion and still have enough power when I squat down to charge the hill.
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but to be honest, I dont think I did this! did I write I set my stance forward???
You stated that you had a directional board that you centered your stance on. That means you set your stance forward.

@Outlyr: Setting your stance back, even just the rear foot, is alright. In fact, if you have a positive cambered board, the further you set your stance back, the more float you will have in powder.

@Veazer: To be honest, I don't really understand what you are asking. When centering your stance on a directional board, the best way for me to describe it is that it handles like your riding switch when you are regular. So I guess that would mean it will handle better if you in fact ride switch on that setup? Either way, it makes 0 sense for you to do that.

The Operator is not a directional twin. It is a true directional board. The board's geometry is centered around the reference stance points. For example, the most narrow section of the board will be in the middle of the reference point. The flex pattern will be centered around the reference point. There's other things like where, if any, tech like carbon rods are located.

I don't know the exact technical details or exactly why it rides different. I just know that it does from personal experience and the many, many issues I have heard when people move their stance in this manner.
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