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Old 03-09-2011, 02:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
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He's just one of few people who have a problem with sizing.

I even made suggestions to another rider who was having the same issue with his Targas as crazyface. After he took some time to adjust them, he ended up loving them.

Not to discount crazyface's opinion, but he is a rare case. And Forces have better ratchets? On the ankle maybe. That toe ratchet is wretched. Again, the toe strap doesn't even hug your boot completely. Don't see Forces winning here.

Another good binding to consider is the Ride Delta. Superb toe strap, but a bit stiffer than the Boss and Force. Ratchets are okay, not horrible or great.

If you go with Rome and have problems adjusting the fit, I'll be glad to help you out as well. If my 9.5 Shrinkage boots fit without a problem in the L/XL, I doubt you will have issues with your boots.
Union ratchets, in my experience are better than Rome ratchets in every way possible. The ladders ratchet in and out extremely smoothly on my forces while my toe ratchet on my bosses gets stuck almost every run. Riding in spring conditions I have ice or slush get on my Rome ladders and they would not ratchet without my getting the slush off, never had a problem in 3 seasons with my Forces. Strap too tight on the lift? With my forces, I can safely loosen any of my straps one or two "teeth" without worrying about my strap coming completely off. With Romes, there is no way I would dream of doing this because every time I try to loosen either strap, it becomes completely loose and I have to re-ratchet.
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
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In case you want proof:

With new replacement inner toe ladders:

Stock ladders:

Adjusted:

2011 Burton Restricted Hails 9.5 U.S. with shrinkage tech bringing the overall profile of the boot down to 8.5
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Union ratchets, in my experience are better than Rome ratchets in every way possible. The ladders ratchet in and out extremely smoothly on my forces while my toe ratchet on my bosses gets stuck almost every run. Riding in spring conditions I have ice or slush get on my Rome ladders and they would not ratchet without my getting the slush off, never had a problem in 3 seasons with my Forces. Strap too tight on the lift? With my forces, I can safely loosen any of my straps one or two "teeth" without worrying about my strap coming completely off. With Romes, there is no way I would dream of doing this because every time I try to loosen either strap, it becomes completely loose and I have to re-ratchet.
Hey, I'm not knocking you for your love of the Force. I am knocking you for your lack of time spent properly adjusting the Boss bindings then spewing how they don't fit properly.

Union Force has absolute crap toe straps and toe ratchets. The ankle ratchet is actually near perfect. Of course, I'm going off the new and "improved" 2012 version. If that was supposed to be a redesigned "improvement" I don't want to imagine how crappy the previous years are.

Get Union bindings, but I highly suggest you Frankenstein the toe strap with another brand's. Ride's ThinGrip toe strap is a popular choice amongst Union Frankensteiners.

Rome's ratchets are far from perfect, but I rather deal with that plus their awesome warranty department than have to deal with a very poorly designed toe strap.

2012 Union Force on 2008 Burton TWC boots high profile size 10 U.S. - Notice the bottom lip of the toe strap not sitting on my boot. Only the top part makes contact.
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I was more worried about the 9.5 not fitting in a S/M sizing, not the other way around, lol. I apologize about the confusion. It's pretty clear that I'll just order a new pair in a L/XL.

Any sites you recommend me getting them from?
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Hey, I'm not knocking you for your love of the Force. I am knocking you for your lack of time spent properly adjusting the Boss bindings then spewing how they don't fit properly.
Uh, not this again. My Rome 390 Bosses S/M fit my boot. This may be hard for some people to believe, but Rome has a flaw in their design and the toe strap puts pressure on my toes and does not un-ratchet smoothly at all. I have put time into adjusting my Bosses and have tinkering with all of the settings. I have found my current settings to be the best, but there are still flaws.

I have also spent time adjusting my forces and have found the best possible adjustment for them. This adjustment that I have found is better in every way, aside from the canted footbeds, than the fit of my Bosses.

Are forces better bindings? I don't know, that isn't for me to say. But for people with boots sized close to mine, I have to suggest Unions so they won't have to deal with deciding between 2 sizes that kind of fit and will get more comfort out of their bindings. The new toe straps look like shit, so try to buy an older pair of forces in the buy/sell forum or frankenstein a different toe strap on.
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:01 PM   #16 (permalink)
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That's my whole point Mr. Crazyface... you spent time adjusting S/M. You should have done the same for the L/XL. Be honest, you didn't take a tool to the L/XL bindings in the shop did you?

Anyway, there are plenty of us with smaller boot sizes than you with low profile designs Burton and non Burton rocking L/XL Boss.

There was another rider who was about to sell his L/XL Targas for his size 10ish boots until I convinced him to adjust it some more. Now he loves them.

All this evidenced stacked against you. Sorry. Fit isn't an issue. The real issue for you is the ratchets. That I won't argue as I've had problems with it as well. A new set of ratchets are on its way to me though thanks to the warranty department. They already sent me new ladders and I recognize them from their 2012 line of bindings. The lock into place much better.

By the way, I have no used my Bosses in multiple locations in multiple conditions on multiple boards. They fit fine.
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The toe straps are defintely better around the end then the top. There is alot of adjusting but once its done theyre great bindings. I own both the boss and targas, I have boss on my SL and looking for a raptor so i can mount the targas.
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I feel like I have enough experience on the snow to make a post regarding the 2011 390's...

At first I couldn't have been happier. In the house, they fit great, and the adjustments, while a pain, did get the fit well with my Size 8 Imperials. After a few trips to the mountains, I am now regretting my decision to give Rome a shot. While they may have excellent customer service, chipping of the paint, the highback adjustments coming loose, the straps releasing while riding, etc., the quality is just not there. I also hate the ratchet design and miss my cartels quite a bit. I haven't even really been abusing the bindings much either as I've been mainly teaching the girlfriend to ride this season. I've found the weird bracket mounting into the mounting disc and then the board is cumbersome, and the least they could have done is provide a longer bolt so that you don't have to work to get the padding on the bottom of the binding compressed, just so the other bolts will bolt in far enough. Also, when adjusting the ankle wrap metal thing, it was almost impossible to get the hardware aligned... Probably a flaw in manufacturing, but still, it shouldn't have been this difficult. The toe strap geometry just isn't right either, and because the strap flops around so much when undone, I have tripped myself in the lift line by stepping on it (I now make sure the toe strap on my rear binding is strapped into the ladder).

I'll probably ride these the remainder of the season, but will sell them off at the end for cheap. I am glad I got a killer deal on these because I'd be much more upset if I paid retail for a product with many flaws. I'm going back to Cartels next year and would advise to stay away from these things.

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Old 03-10-2011, 04:09 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Thanks for the review, but sadly, none of us are talking about 2010 390s. You'll realize that big changes have been made to the 2011 versions.

As for your screw concerns, if they were to provide longer screws, you'd actually end up having too much screw. You could even end up damaging the board. It's the correct length and takes a little elbow grease the first few times because the padding will eventually compress. This is a good thing as the padding under the disc provides dampening.

I don't know what weird mountain bracket on top of the plate you speak of. The 2011 versions don't have that. The only thing that goes on top of the base of the binding is a dampening footbed. The Boss version comes with canted footbeds that you can use.

Toe straps flop around on any binding except for quick entry ones like Flows or Contrabands. Either kick the toe strap out of the way or stop skating toe side. Or you could simply skate a little further away from your toe edge.

No arguments on ratchets as I'm not a fan either. I've even had mine release a couple of times. I have since been able to solve the problem by making sure I give the release tab a slap in the lock position to make sure that it's not even remotely loose. I rode through Michigan ice, and jibbed logs and rode through tight trees. Bindings have not released since discovering my slap technique.

Paint chipping... this shouldn't be relevant. Yea, it's a cheap paint process and it chips easily. Big deal. Just looks. Rome will happily replace any of your parts even the ones that have nothing but paint chipping.

Again, you are talking about 2010 versions anyway. None of us here are.
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Sorry. I have the 2010/2011 Season bindings... So this year's model.
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