Rome 390 Boss or Union Force for NS Evo? - Page 3 - Snowboarding Forum

PortedBuckle · 03-10-2011, 04:16 PM

The hoop thing I was referring to is the adjustment that rome says you should make versus moving the binding toward either edge. I guess the heel cup? I don't know what they call it, but it was a pain.

I am not saying, I hate the bindings for the paint chips, I think they don't look bad since I have the collage color, but If you put a product out there that chips after a run or two, something is wrong, and it should be at least commented on.

I just had very high hopes for these. I will say the ankle strap is the comfiest I have ridden.

Leo · 03-10-2011, 04:17 PM

So what weird mounting bracket are you talking about? The footbeds? Nothing weird about them to me. Just snap them in and screw the middle. 1,2,3... done!

Since you have the 2011, take advantage of their warranty. Tell them you need new ladders and new ratchets because you are having release issues. They sent me new ladders and they fit much better. I believe they are the ladders from their 2012 bindings which is a good thing. I have yet to see what the buckles look like though.

Give it a go. Even ask for new highbacks if you really can't live with the chipping.

Edit: Rome admitted to faulty paint issues. They even came on these forums acknowledging it and promised to send out better highbacks to anyone having chipping issues.

Also, I won't deny the sheer amount of time and effort it takes to dial these suckers in. I rather have to do that then get bindings that don't offer adjustability. I'm used to this stuff though as I've been a Flow user for 6 years. And any Flow user will tell you that setting those up used to suck ass.

To each his own. I dislike Burton bindings. Great ratchets, horrible toe caps. Toe caps always pop off on me with those. Worst part is, I wear Burton boots.

PortedBuckle · 03-10-2011, 04:49 PM

Ah, nah, the foot beds are fine. its the u shaped bracket that the straps and ladders mount into and the highback mounts onto. You move it forward and back to center the boot. The holes didn't line up in the setting I needed. It took a lot of elbow grease.

Thanks for not turning this into a flame session. I just personally don't like the product I ended up with, despite the great comfort.

Leo · 03-10-2011, 04:58 PM

Why would I flame you? LoL. The only reason I called out crazyface is because of his inconsistent story and how he is taking his thoughts on the wrong sized binding into threads where others are considering these bindings.

You on the other hand, are having a genuine issue with the binding design even though the size and fit is correct. Now I'm trying to help you figure things out.

I kind of understand what you are talking about now. Are you moving the highback forward/backward to center your stance?

You should be unscrewing the bottom most screws in the heel hoop and loosening the two screws under the toe side of the binding and adjusting the fit from there.

I'm guessing you have the S/M size? I don't know the numbers for that size, but if you look above the three sets of holes on the inside of the heel hoop, you will see numbers. For example, I have mine screwed into the ones that read, "9/10.5". This means that set of holes are for boot sizes 9-10.5. Do you have yours set to the correct boot size?

PortedBuckle · 03-10-2011, 05:09 PM

Yes. The heel hoop is what I am talking about. I have it all setup now, but the first night with the bindings was miserable trying to get the hoop to slide backward enough so that the bolt would align with the hole. After that I had no issues, and it may not even be an issue on the larger sizes, but the S/M had the issue. It was just one of the two holes per binding too. The system worked, but it wasn't easy, and in all truth, I'd prefer to just move the bindings back by choosing different holes on a mounting disc.

If they could give me burton ratchets, better paint quality, and fix their fitment issue of the heel hoop, (maybe tighten up the highback tool free adjustment), I'd say they are great. Oh, and I think my 8 boot, even with shrinkage tech is too big for the toe capstraps.

randyfloyd · 03-16-2011, 03:28 PM

Rode for 2 days on new rome 390 boss on 153 ns evo. Stupid f**king bindings ruined the end of season trip. I've been riding 24 years and fell more this weekend then the past 10 years...every time I wondered why I fell, I looked down to see an unstrapped binding.
Rome is sending a new buckle, hopefully a new ladder strap also...

I have a pair of Union Force on my NS premier f1, and never had a problem. Have over 100 days of riding with no problems.

bellaisa · 03-16-2011, 03:32 PM

yea, ive decided to go with the yellow forces. anyone know what's the largest setting for the heel loop? Tried to move it out a bit more but it won't budge. here's a pic.

idshred · 03-16-2011, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellaisa

yea, ive decided to go with the yellow forces. anyone know what's the largest setting for the heel loop? Tried to move it out a bit more but it won't budge. here's a pic.

the heelcup adjusts out to '2'

Did you take both screws out that allow the heelcup to adjust out? There is the screw that holds the strap/highback/heelcup as well as the other screw just below the trim piece on the baseplate, it needs to be taken out as well. Hopefully you didn't get a pair that has extra loc-tight on the screws that made them super hard to get out. If ya did all that and it was still stuck, get something like a rubber mallet and tap it, after a couple of adjustments it will be much easier to move.

Leo · 03-17-2011, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randyfloyd

Rode for 2 days on new rome 390 boss on 153 ns evo. Stupid f**king bindings ruined the end of season trip. I've been riding 24 years and fell more this weekend then the past 10 years...every time I wondered why I fell, I looked down to see an unstrapped binding.
Rome is sending a new buckle, hopefully a new ladder strap also...

I have a pair of Union Force on my NS premier f1, and never had a problem. Have over 100 days of riding with no problems.

The replacement buckles are better. They are unpainted though and the release tab has no rubber. However, the release tab isn't skinny and doesn't protrude way out like the stock ones. It locks down tighter too. See how you like the Boss after these replacements.

Easy solution to those looking to get Bosses... Order the bindings then give Rome an immediate ring after receiving them. Ask for replacement buckles and ladders. Problem solved. Might start out as worse bindings than Unions, but end up being far better.

For those who are riding with stock ratchets on them, just make sure that you give the release tab a slap down to make sure it is in full locked position. I found that this completely solved my issues on the stock ratchets. The release tabs are so buttery, that they need to be fully down. Any bit of looseness causes them to release.

Bellaisa: Let us know how you like your Unions and what you think about the fit.

Smokehaus · 03-17-2011, 12:59 PM

I personally love my 11' Forces but of course I have never strapped my feet into a set of 390's.

03-10-2011, 04:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	So what weird mounting bracket are you talking about? The footbeds? Nothing weird about them to me. Just snap them in and screw the middle. 1,2,3... done! Since you have the 2011, take advantage of their warranty. Tell them you need new ladders and new ratchets because you are having release issues. They sent me new ladders and they fit much better. I believe they are the ladders from their 2012 bindings which is a good thing. I have yet to see what the buckles look like though. Give it a go. Even ask for new highbacks if you really can't live with the chipping. Edit: Rome admitted to faulty paint issues. They even came on these forums acknowledging it and promised to send out better highbacks to anyone having chipping issues. Also, I won't deny the sheer amount of time and effort it takes to dial these suckers in. I rather have to do that then get bindings that don't offer adjustability. I'm used to this stuff though as I've been a Flow user for 6 years. And any Flow user will tell you that setting those up used to suck ass. To each his own. I dislike Burton bindings. Great ratchets, horrible toe caps. Toe caps always pop off on me with those. Worst part is, I wear Burton boots. __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants Last edited by Leo; 03-10-2011 at 04:20 PM.

03-10-2011, 04:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
Leo -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Detroit Area Posts: 6,212	Why would I flame you? LoL. The only reason I called out crazyface is because of his inconsistent story and how he is taking his thoughts on the wrong sized binding into threads where others are considering these bindings. You on the other hand, are having a genuine issue with the binding design even though the size and fit is correct. Now I'm trying to help you figure things out. I kind of understand what you are talking about now. Are you moving the highback forward/backward to center your stance? You should be unscrewing the bottom most screws in the heel hoop and loosening the two screws under the toe side of the binding and adjusting the fit from there. I'm guessing you have the S/M size? I don't know the numbers for that size, but if you look above the three sets of holes on the inside of the heel hoop, you will see numbers. For example, I have mine screwed into the ones that read, "9/10.5". This means that set of holes are for boot sizes 9-10.5. Do you have yours set to the correct boot size? __________________ www.aGNARchy.com Reviews and David Z's rants

03-16-2011, 03:28 PM	#26 (permalink)
randyfloyd Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4	Union Force Rode for 2 days on new rome 390 boss on 153 ns evo. Stupid f**king bindings ruined the end of season trip. I've been riding 24 years and fell more this weekend then the past 10 years...every time I wondered why I fell, I looked down to see an unstrapped binding. Rome is sending a new buckle, hopefully a new ladder strap also... I have a pair of Union Force on my NS premier f1, and never had a problem. Have over 100 days of riding with no problems.

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03-10-2011, 04:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
PortedBuckle Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9	The hoop thing I was referring to is the adjustment that rome says you should make versus moving the binding toward either edge. I guess the heel cup? I don't know what they call it, but it was a pain. I am not saying, I hate the bindings for the paint chips, I think they don't look bad since I have the collage color, but If you put a product out there that chips after a run or two, something is wrong, and it should be at least commented on. I just had very high hopes for these. I will say the ankle strap is the comfiest I have ridden.

03-10-2011, 04:49 PM	#23 (permalink)
PortedBuckle Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9	Ah, nah, the foot beds are fine. its the u shaped bracket that the straps and ladders mount into and the highback mounts onto. You move it forward and back to center the boot. The holes didn't line up in the setting I needed. It took a lot of elbow grease. Thanks for not turning this into a flame session. I just personally don't like the product I ended up with, despite the great comfort.

03-10-2011, 05:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
PortedBuckle Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 9	Yes. The heel hoop is what I am talking about. I have it all setup now, but the first night with the bindings was miserable trying to get the hoop to slide backward enough so that the bolt would align with the hole. After that I had no issues, and it may not even be an issue on the larger sizes, but the S/M had the issue. It was just one of the two holes per binding too. The system worked, but it wasn't easy, and in all truth, I'd prefer to just move the bindings back by choosing different holes on a mounting disc. If they could give me burton ratchets, better paint quality, and fix their fitment issue of the heel hoop, (maybe tighten up the highback tool free adjustment), I'd say they are great. Oh, and I think my 8 boot, even with shrinkage tech is too big for the toe capstraps.

03-16-2011, 03:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
bellaisa Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 23	yea, ive decided to go with the yellow forces. anyone know what's the largest setting for the heel loop? Tried to move it out a bit more but it won't budge. here's a pic.

03-17-2011, 12:59 PM	#30 (permalink)
Smokehaus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA Posts: 891	I personally love my 11' Forces but of course I have never strapped my feet into a set of 390's.