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Old 03-25-2011, 04:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Loyal Flow Rider having serious doubts...

Been riding NXT-AT's for 3 seasons now and dont know anymore. Recently they shit the bed and I had to break out my emergency Missions for my last day trip of the season. I was dreading the thought of straps for a whole day, yuck, but I was amazed at the better control and response they had in the park. I noticed the difference almost immediately and it was WAY too big to ignore. I was able to ollie & butter much better (and higher). Also, Ive been really crankin' down the Flow powerstrap recently because I was gettin' serous anlke slop. Also, I didnt have to crank down my boots so tight either with the Missions. Now Im torn whether to get a fat pair of Union's or Technine's, maybe Ride's, or a new pair of Flow's.

Seems like Flows are more for the all-mountain dudes considering I didn't see anyone in the park all day with Flows, probably because this was the first time I was consciously looking. Also, I feel like a total hyporcrite because of all the countless people that I recommended Flows to in the past 3 years, sorry guys.

Any ideas or advice? I know theres a lot of Flow posts on here about this but I would love the input. There definitely seems to be 2 distinct groups on this forum - the Flow lovers, and Flow haters. I have gotten good advice from this site and like it a lot.
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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3 seasons of a lot of riding? Or moderate? 3 seasons is a reasonable run for bindings in my book. I never make it past 2

That's mainly for my gear whoring though ahaha. For park response, it depends on what model you get. I don't like the FSE for park at all since they are really stiff. I'd do an M9SE or ATSE. Remember, Flow has pro riders that throw it down on their bindings so it's not the binding itself. I will admit that I have an easier time popping with my traditional strapped canted bindings, but that's just effort. Edge to edge is actually quicker on Flows from my experience.

With that said, I finally got rid of my Flows out of my quiver. Not because of quality or performance really, but due to my love for canted footbeds. I have to weigh the pros and cons. Flows are much easier on my feet, but canted footbeds are a lot better for my knees. I want to save my knees coz of my wider stance.

Ride makes excellent bindings as well as Rome.

PS. Flow has changed a lot over the last 3 years. Also, ask all the Flow haters if they have tried multiple pairs of their mid-top tier bindings in recent years. I am almost positive most will say no.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i only do about 12 days per season so its definitely not that the bindings are worn out.

also, i think anyone would want their bindings to have good heel hold no matter what type of riding you are doing.

im probably not gonna get Flows again just on the possibility that they have improved since my last pair.
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Flows get better every year. Same goes for 2012. All I ride is park, and I mostly jib. I ride Quattro's.

Look at M9's for next year.
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One thing I would say is don't get technines. They've supposedly been working on their quality but the last several years their stuff has been junk.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:01 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i only do about 12 days per season so its definitely not that the bindings are worn out.

also, i think anyone would want their bindings to have good heel hold no matter what type of riding you are doing.

im probably not gonna get Flows again just on the possibility that they have improved since my last pair.
If the bindings don't hold your heel, there are two reasons why:

1) You bought the wrong size or didn't make proper adjustments

2) Your boot just isn't compatible with the bindings (this is rare, but it does happen)

Also, you not wanting to use Flows again is one thing, but coming on an Internet forum to start a thread to basically talk about Flow's low quality based on a 3 year old pair is another story. It's these type of posts that give good companies a bad reputation. I've asked numerous Flow haters around here why they dislike them and the vast majority base their opinions off of what friends have told them/experienced or off a pair from a century ago. Furthermore, these same people have not even demoed more than one pair if that.

You can't use the argument that you wouldn't buy something based on the possibility of improvement. Then you should have 0 desire to buy anything since your old Missions are holding up. What are you expecting from Flow then if not improvements? You want them to be made out of gold? Oh wait, they have a pair made of gold

You posted a thread about a problem you're having and we're trying to give you opinions here. No need to be snobby.

Other park bindings to consider:

Ride Delta/Contraband series

Flux RK30

Rome 390 Boss (Call Rome if you order these and ask for replacement ladders and ratchets. Easy fix that make the bindings superb. One of the best customer service departments that I have come across.)

If you like Burton, Cobrasharks are cheap and hold up really well. I like these better than most of their more expensive bindings.

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[QUOTE=NYHC;392460]Also, Ive been really crankin' down the Flow powerstrap recently because I was gettin' serous anlke slop.QUOTE]

Hi NYHC,

You already have some great advice here, and there are plenty of really good manufacturers and bindings available. The comment above, however, would suggest a configuration issue, though, and is likely easily corrected.

Once your powerstraps are set, you should not need to adjust them at all. Granted, you are using a 3 generation old binding, but let's see if we can help you improve the performance. Let's get a visual. Please tighly lace on your boots and kick your foot into your strap. Before you raise the back, please snap a photo that shows your foot/boot in the binding. Someone else will likely need to take the picture. When we have that, we will be able to tell you what is going on.

Thanks!
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