2012 Burton Binding trends and the Diode... the new C60/CO2 - Snowboarding Forum

604al · 04-13-2011, 06:58 PM

Got a chance to check out some of the new 2012 line and found some interesting things:

- Burton is reducing the amount of forward lean on their highbacks.. finally
- new tech: a rubber heel hammock on the Malavita higbacks that's essentially a sheet of perforated grippy rubber that hugs the back of your boot for more response... not sure if that'd do anything
- new tech: a hinged baseplate on the EST Malavitas and Diodes that allows for alot of forward and back movement... supposedly greater ollie power!?
- new tech: autocant.. which was on the cartel reflex this year... softer padding on the inside foot and stiffer near the outside

I also picked up a pair of non-EST Diodes and here's what I found after a few hours of riding:
- no FLAD, it's adjusted via the highback rotation screws... saves weight but makes it a pain in the but to adjust. This isn't a big deal as it's something I'd only do once.
- it's definitely light with a carbon fiber highback and the other weight reduction methods. They even replaced the rubber backing in the gettagrip toe straps with a foam material. I really only notice weight on a lift though...
- the foam baseplates are SOFT... very damp, very comfortable... the foam seems softer than the foam on the full basepad on my 2011 cartels
- the react ankle strap is shaped somewhat like the asym anklestrap found on the malavitas (which I loved) however without any padding. I found some foot pain on the react strap as you really feel it if you crank them down, unlike the padded asym anklestraps.

Not sure about "feeling" the reflex baseplate, but these bindings are definitely light, very responsive, and very comfortable minus the react strap for me and my flat feet. I'm also questioning the durability with all of this foam, and the thin foam probably aesthetic pads on top of the footbed and highback.

I'll be swapping these for the 2012 malavitas in the fall when I get a chance. I'm not a fast charging rider as I'd prefer to butter and jump down a green run than blast a black. I'm curious as to how autocant feels (especially with a bad knee) and have always loved the asym ankle strap.

Also not sure about the deal the trend of increasing "feel" on a setup... what are you supposed to do with this? Is this all to make boards softer?

Pics to come.

BurtonAvenger · 04-13-2011, 07:01 PM

Rode the new Malavita EST the Hinge is fucking sick.

604al · 04-13-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger

Rode the new Malavita EST the Hinge is fucking sick.

Too bad they're not on the non-EST binding... I'm waiting for your take on this angry and what you think about autcant and the hammock.

I think the Malavita will be the it binding next year, like the 390 bosses of this year. Plus I really love that "sulfur" pastel yellow color they have next year.

604al · 04-13-2011, 07:29 PM

Nivek · 04-13-2011, 10:14 PM

Diode is overkill. So was the C60. Only people doing anything lethal enough to need them are guys like Xavier. If you aren't bomb running cornice drops and cliffs, you don't need Diodes.

I wish the Hinge was on non est. I won't run anything with channel.

BurtonAvenger · 04-13-2011, 10:22 PM

I still have no idea what the hammock does I didn't notice anything.

604al · 04-13-2011, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivek

Diode is overkill. So was the C60. Only people doing anything lethal enough to need them are guys like Xavier. If you aren't bomb running cornice drops and cliffs, you don't need Diodes.

I wish the Hinge was on non est. I won't run anything with channel.

Most mid to hi end gear is overkill...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger

I still have no idea what the hammock does I didn't notice anything.

After reading the catalogue I'm gathering that you can run your ankle strap a little looser and still get the same response as it'll hug your back boot. Mostly it allows burton to charge another $20 for a piece of rubber.

Nivek · 04-13-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 604al

it allows Burton to charge another $20 for a piece of rubber.

Yup. Thing I like is they now offer true zero lean stock backs.

suicidelemming · 04-14-2011, 12:35 PM

Next season's malavitas is one of the bindings I'm interested in picking up. Would like to hear from anyone (BA?) how they feel/ride. I'm very intrigued by the "auto-cant" stuff if it works.

BurtonAvenger · 04-14-2011, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 604al

Most mid to hi end gear is overkill...

After reading the catalogue I'm gathering that you can run your ankle strap a little looser and still get the same response as it'll hug your back boot. Mostly it allows burton to charge another $20 for a piece of rubber.

Eh if that's what it does I didn't notice it.

04-13-2011, 06:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
604al Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 145	2012 Burton Binding trends and the Diode... the new C60/CO2 Got a chance to check out some of the new 2012 line and found some interesting things: - Burton is reducing the amount of forward lean on their highbacks.. finally - new tech: a rubber heel hammock on the Malavita higbacks that's essentially a sheet of perforated grippy rubber that hugs the back of your boot for more response... not sure if that'd do anything - new tech: a hinged baseplate on the EST Malavitas and Diodes that allows for alot of forward and back movement... supposedly greater ollie power!? - new tech: autocant.. which was on the cartel reflex this year... softer padding on the inside foot and stiffer near the outside I also picked up a pair of non-EST Diodes and here's what I found after a few hours of riding: - no FLAD, it's adjusted via the highback rotation screws... saves weight but makes it a pain in the but to adjust. This isn't a big deal as it's something I'd only do once. - it's definitely light with a carbon fiber highback and the other weight reduction methods. They even replaced the rubber backing in the gettagrip toe straps with a foam material. I really only notice weight on a lift though... - the foam baseplates are SOFT... very damp, very comfortable... the foam seems softer than the foam on the full basepad on my 2011 cartels - the react ankle strap is shaped somewhat like the asym anklestrap found on the malavitas (which I loved) however without any padding. I found some foot pain on the react strap as you really feel it if you crank them down, unlike the padded asym anklestraps. Not sure about "feeling" the reflex baseplate, but these bindings are definitely light, very responsive, and very comfortable minus the react strap for me and my flat feet. I'm also questioning the durability with all of this foam, and the thin foam probably aesthetic pads on top of the footbed and highback. I'll be swapping these for the 2012 malavitas in the fall when I get a chance. I'm not a fast charging rider as I'd prefer to butter and jump down a green run than blast a black. I'm curious as to how autocant feels (especially with a bad knee) and have always loved the asym ankle strap. Also not sure about the deal the trend of increasing "feel" on a setup... what are you supposed to do with this? Is this all to make boards softer? Pics to come.

04-13-2011, 07:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
BurtonAvenger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mountains Posts: 8,169	Rode the new Malavita EST the Hinge is fucking sick. __________________ Angry Snowboarder Because someone has to call it how they see it!

04-13-2011, 10:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nivek Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mountains of Mordor Posts: 5,418	Diode is overkill. So was the C60. Only people doing anything lethal enough to need them are guys like Xavier. If you aren't bomb running cornice drops and cliffs, you don't need Diodes. I wish the Hinge was on non est. I won't run anything with channel. __________________ Snowboarding Sucks. Buy my stuff 2014 Flow Rush LTD 153 $200 2014 Flow Fuse SE Med $100 2012 Trek Remedy Carbon 9.8 $3500 http://rockies.craigslist.org/bik/3766331309.html

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BurtonAvenger Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mountains Posts: 8,169	I still have no idea what the hammock does I didn't notice anything. __________________ Angry Snowboarder Because someone has to call it how they see it!

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604al Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 145

04-14-2011, 12:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
suicidelemming Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 33	Next season's malavitas is one of the bindings I'm interested in picking up. Would like to hear from anyone (BA?) how they feel/ride. I'm very intrigued by the "auto-cant" stuff if it works.